Subject: Lists
From: "Tom Johnson" <>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:30:42 +0930
That is very interesting that Hawaii is not included. Lord Howe is a bit like Australia's Hawaii. But as Dave pointed out, it is ultimately up to the people that are 'organising' the list.

Personally, I think that they should consider keeping the two lists, or alternatively, someone should set up an 'official list' that is based on sound non-political definitions. The BOCA list is the closest to this that I can see, although it includes Lord Howe and Norfolk Islands for some reason.

You just need to take one look at the map at the bottom of this link below to see how ridiculous it is to include the Antarctic and Indian Ocean territories. Under a continental definition, Ashmore Reef would stay, but the Coral Sea Islands probably wouldn't. The Timor Sea presents a problem.

Any thoughts!???

To:  (Dave Torr),  (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] Lists
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:04:54 -0500

Yes, here in the U.S. there are fairly precise listing rules. One thing that is clearly defined is the geographical territory included within any listing area, and these take account of biogeography, rather than just nationality. thus, for example, Hawaii is excluded from the ABA area, which includes the rest of the United States and Canada, because it is too distinct biogeographically. Other listing areas are also defined. And yes, David is right, if you are standing in state A and see a bird that is sitting on a haystack in state B, for purposes of your state lists, it would count in state B. Or perhaps more importantly, if you are birding in Texas along the Rio Grande River, and you see a bird on the other side of the River, it is a Mexico bird, not a U.S. or ABA area bird.

Of course the ABA rules are only for those who choose to list according to the ABA guidelines. Many people do not wish to submit their lists to the ABA or otherwise "compete" in listing and so feel free to alter the rules to suit their own interests.

Eric Jeffrey
Falls Church, VA

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