Subject: Lists
From: "Tom Johnson" <>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:05:24 +0930
...and New Zealand?

You are right though, it is up to the individual, although how does one define an (or the) "official" list? The official list would be best served as probably two different lists. One being an Australian continental list, excluding areas not (bio)geographically connected to Australia. The second would include political outliers etc (and would exclude emabassies of course), this being the current definition used. Two lists.

I think this would make the whole listing exercise more fun, with more emphasis on finding birds such as Scarlet-chested Parrots or Letter-winged Kites etc. Vagrant birds would include those that turn up in Australia, not vagrant birds that turn up on the territorial islands only. The 200 NM limit could still be used for ocean birds, or simply what could be seen from the edge of the continental shelf. I don't know. Maybe some people with lists already have such a separation in their lists?

What do people think of this?

From: "JohnPenhallurick" <>
To: "Tom Johnson" <>,<>
Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] Lists
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:29:45 +1100

Individuals, of course, are free to define lists any way they wish, but I
think it is farcical to include Christmas island, Cocos-Keeling Islands, and
Macquarie Island in the Australian List. This flies in the face of any
notion of biogeography, and you might as well include the grounds of every
Australian embassy!
The rest of the birding world includes Christmas Island and Cocas-Keeling
Islands in an Indian Ocean List.
If you want a bigger target, then you can go for Australasia and include

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