To: Tom Johnson <>
Subject: Lists
From: Dave Torr <>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:44:55 +1100
In the US I recall (I used to live there) ABA publish very precise
rules for claiming bird sightings - including see a bird that is one
state when you are in an adjacent state. They also only count birds
that were seen "ethically", which includes severe restrictions on use
of tapes and also on entering private property without permission!

Here we are less formal I guess - BA publish an "official" list for
Australia and Territories (which seems to include Christmas Island and
Lord Howe Island at least, although not any embassies!). BOCA also
publish a (slightly different) list.

But since the only person that I am aware of who maintains any form of
"league ladder" for people to record how many they have seen is Tony
Palliser (BA and BOCA don't seem to do this) then I guess it is up to
him to set the rules for what is included in his list - and
individuals can then choose whether or not they want to follow his

But this is supposed to be a fun hobby and not a competition, so let's
not get too carried away!

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:05:24 +0930, Tom Johnson <> wrote:
> ...and New Zealand?
> You are right though, it is up to the individual, although how does one
> define an (or the) "official" list? The official list would be best served
> as probably two different lists.
> One being an Australian continental list, excluding areas not
> (bio)geographically connected to Australia. The second would include
> political outliers etc (and would exclude emabassies of course), this being
> the current definition used. Two lists.
> I think this would make the whole listing exercise more fun, with more
> emphasis on finding birds such as Scarlet-chested Parrots or Letter-winged
> Kites etc. Vagrant birds would include those that turn up in Australia, not
> vagrant birds that turn up on the territorial islands only. The 200 NM limit
> could still be used for ocean birds, or simply what could be seen from the
> edge of the continental shelf. I don't know. Maybe some people with lists
> already have such a separation in their lists?
> What do people think of this?
> >From: "JohnPenhallurick" <>
> >To: "Tom Johnson" <>,<>
> >Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] Lists
> >Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:29:45 +1100
> >
> >Individuals, of course, are free to define lists any way they wish, but I
> >think it is farcical to include Christmas island, Cocos-Keeling Islands,
> >and
> >Macquarie Island in the Australian List. This flies in the face of any
> >notion of biogeography, and you might as well include the grounds of every
> >Australian embassy!
> >The rest of the birding world includes Christmas Island and Cocas-Keeling
> >Islands in an Indian Ocean List.
> >If you want a bigger target, then you can go for Australasia and include
> >PNG.
> >John
> >
> >
> >
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