To: Peter Ewin <>
Subject: Rosellas
From: Dave Torr <>
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:50:23 +1100
But none of the three authorities I quoted lump them. However BOCA
lump Yellow and Adelaide with Crimson and Pale Headed with Eastern.

Anyone know what other "authorities" do?

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:28:34 +1100, Peter Ewin <> wrote:
> Pale-headed and Easterns I think are lumped because they will naturally
> hybridise and I think produce fertile offspring in the wild. A male Eastern
> and a female Eastern/Pale-headed cross have bred in a hollow my father has
> put on his property at Crystal Creek near Murwillumbah on the NSW north
> coast for a number of years. I have not seen any Pale-heads around the
> Tweed, but they may occasionally turn up. I think I have also heard that
> formerly the two were separated on habitat, but as land clearance has
> oppened up the forests of the north coast, Easterns have expanded north into
> the Pale-headed range and allowed hybridisation to occur again (they were
> obviously recently split). In flight from behind, the two "species" look
> very similar.
> Cheers,
> Peter
> >From: Vin Lam <>
> >To: Dave Torr <>
> >CC: 
> >Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] Rosellas
> >Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:34:30 +1100
> >
> >On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:35:01 +1100, Dave Torr <> wrote:
> >
> >>BA (Sept 2003) recognises Green, Crimson, Eastern, Pale-headed,
> >>Northern and Western.
> >>
> >>
> >>Clememts and HBW both recognise has Green, Crimson, Yellow, Adelaide,
> >>Northern, Pale-headed, Eastern and Western.
> >>
> >>So as usual you can pick a taxonomist (said slightly tongue in cheek).
> >>Important thing is to be consistent!
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Lumpers and splitters and sometimes a mixture of both. I can
> >see the reasoning for Crimson/Yellow/Adelaide lumping, but some
> >currently lump the Pale-headed and Eastern, but not the northern.
> >To me, Pale-headed seems closer to Northern than Eastern, but I guess
> >DNA says otherwise.
> >
> >BTW, do you have a digital copy of the most recent Clements?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Vin.
> >
> >--
> >Vin Lam, Melbourne Australia
> >
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