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Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 84, Issue 19

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Subject: Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 84, Issue 19
From: Michael Hunter <>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:51:47 +1100
Maybe the Magpies are just sunbaking for the pleasure of it .

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>   1. Re: Australian Magpie "anting"or what? 
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>   3. Australian Magpie "anting" or what? (Philip Veerman)
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> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 16:50:27 +1100
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> To: "'Penny Brockman'" <>, "'David Clark'"
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Australian Magpie "anting"or what?
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> Interesting about the lack of ants!  I suspect that there is an honour?s or 
> Master?s degree in this, if one could design a way of scientifically 
> analysing the behaviour. 
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> From: Birding-Aus <> On Behalf Of Penny 
> Brockman
> Sent: Friday, 23 October 2020 1:53 PM
> To: David Clark <>
> Cc: Charles Hunter via Birding-Aus <>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Australian Magpie "anting"or what?
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> I remember seeing two magpies in my garden lying on the woodchip path in full 
> sun, wings extended and bodies awkwardly on one side. Bills open and heads 
> tilted. After a while they got up, closed wings and moved into the shade, 
> presumably to cool down. This I believe helps control lice. 
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> Penny Brockman
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> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Clark wrote:
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> I have often seen Magpies lying flat out on the ground.  On the occasions 
> when my approach caused the Magpie to depart, I have checked the location and 
> never once have I seen ants.
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> The common factor with all instances I have observed is full and bright 
> sunshine.
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> Cheers
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> David
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> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:57 PM Penny Brockman < 
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> Sunning?
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> Penny Brockman
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> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 5:28 PM,  
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> For years I?ve been watching magpies in Blackheath, regardless of the 
> temperature, mild or red-hot, lying down in a sort of trance-like state. But 
> they are alert. Someone somewhere mentioned that they are ?anting?. Any 
> published papers and evidence available on what they are actually doing?
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> Thanks
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> David Jackson
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> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:06:29 +1100
> From: calyptorhynchus <>
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> I?ve observed this behaviour over the years and there is usually a
> conspicuous lack of ants around. I suspect it is sunning.
> 
> John L
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>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 at 08:45 <> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting about the lack of ants!  I suspect that there is an honour?s
>> or Master?s degree in this, if one could design a way of scientifically
>> analysing the behaviour.
>> 
>> 
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>> *From:* Birding-Aus <> *On Behalf Of 
>> *Penny
>> Brockman
>> *Sent:* Friday, 23 October 2020 1:53 PM
>> *To:* David Clark <>
>> *Cc:* Charles Hunter via Birding-Aus <>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Birding-Aus] Australian Magpie "anting"or what?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I remember seeing two magpies in my garden lying on the woodchip path in
>> full sun, wings extended and bodies awkwardly on one side. Bills open and
>> heads tilted. After a while they got up, closed wings and moved into the
>> shade, presumably to cool down. This I believe helps control lice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------
>> 
>> Penny Brockman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Clark wrote:
>> 
>> I have often seen Magpies lying flat out on the ground.  On the occasions
>> when my approach caused the Magpie to depart, I have checked the location
>> and never once have I seen ants.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The common factor with all instances I have observed is full and bright
>> sunshine.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:57 PM Penny Brockman <> wrote:
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>> Sunning?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------
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>> Penny Brockman
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>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 5:28 PM,  wrote:
>> 
>> For years I?ve been watching magpies in Blackheath, regardless of the
>> temperature, mild or red-hot, lying down in a sort of trance-like state.
>> But they are alert. Someone somewhere mentioned that they are ?anting?. Any
>> published papers and evidence available on what they are actually doing?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Jackson
>> 
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> What I sent last night appears to have not gone through yet. Maybe best just 
> to call it sunning when that is what it is and leave the word anting to when 
> there are ants. Easy. But they may be connected. This sunning behaviour (and 
> certainly not just magpies) often has the birds in a sort of trance like 
> behaviour. But then there are other things that will do that to a bird. 
> ?hypnotise chooks?. For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i6QIuNS8j8
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> Philip
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> From: Philip Veerman  Sent: Friday, 23 October, 
> 2020 10:16 PM   To:  Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] 
> Australian Magpie "anting"or what?
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> I think what has happened here is transfer of words. It is real sometimes 
> that birds put ants on their plumage. And suggested for these reasons. So 
> given the name ?anting?. Sunning behaviour like that can involve the birds in 
> doing similar looking things. Bird behaviour books can tend to describe these 
> perhaps only slightly related things, together. So the word anting has sort 
> of spread into behaviours that maybe look similar or maybe have similar 
> benefits. Or that is my idea. 
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> Philip
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> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
> Penny Brockman   Sent: Friday, 23 October, 2020 1:53 PM    To: David Clark 
> Cc: Charles Hunter via Birding-Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Australian Magpie "anting"or what?
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> 
> I remember seeing two magpies in my garden lying on the woodchip path in full 
> sun, wings extended and bodies awkwardly on one side. Bills open and heads 
> tilted. After a while they got up, closed wings and moved into the shade, 
> presumably to cool down. This I believe helps control lice. 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------
> 
> Penny Brockman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Clark wrote:
> 
> I have often seen Magpies lying flat out on the ground.  On the occasions 
> when my approach caused the Magpie to depart, I have checked the location and 
> never once have I seen ants.
> 
> 
> 
> The common factor with all instances I have observed is full and bright 
> sunshine.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:57 PM Penny Brockman <> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sunning?
> 
> 
> 
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> Penny Brockman
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> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 5:28 PM,  wrote:
> 
> For years I?ve been watching magpies in Blackheath, regardless of the 
> temperature, mild or red-hot, lying down in a sort of trance-like state. But 
> they are alert. Someone somewhere mentioned that they are ?anting?. Any 
> published papers and evidence available on what they are actually doing?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> David Jackson
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