FW: Jer-RIG-onee - or Gur-RIG-onee - or GRIG-onee? (But not Jerry-gone.)

[MADELON LANE <>]

Seems a bit snobby. Jerrygone and Cisstickola preserve the Australian accent on the first syllable. I mean do we still pronounce Hospital as Ospitall to try to be French ? Etc etc

On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 9:35 am, Geoffrey Dabb <> wrote:

Ah, the Pub fights with the Schoolroom.  Just quickly, these are latinised names, even if from Greek. The pronunciation guide in the 1926 RAOU checklist (useful on stress but regards ‘g’ as so obvious it is not mentioned)  cautioned: ‘The pronunciation here indicated is the English, not the  ‘Continental’ or ‘Roman’ pronunciation of Latin’.  However Jeannie Gray (Fraser & Gray) indicated her own viewpoint by stating ‘g is always hard (though we have made an exception due to universal usage in ‘gerygone’ and called it dj’ (p.xvii).   Another rule is -

 

 

Also (‘English Latin’)  –

 

 

More at https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-classical-journal/article/english-pronunciation-of-latin-its-rise-and-fall/A0860C6625BE5A0E45FD58A18797E6FB/core-reader

 

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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Jer-RIG-onee - or Gur-RIG-onee - or GRIG-onee? (But not Jerry-gone.)

 

Just looked at the ge-s in the dictionary and amongst the first are gear, geek and gecko. So ge doesn’t always mean a soft g.

 

JL

 

On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 08:09 Casimir Liber <m("gmail.com","casliber0134");" target="_blank">> wrote:

In English the 'G' would be soft, hence 'J' as initial sound. I have never heard anyone pronounce it with a hard 'G'

Cas

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:47 PM Richard Nowotny <m("bigpond.com","richard.nowotny");" target="_blank">> wrote:

This pronunciation question seems to have been a contentious subject for Australian birders since the common name of the several species in the genus Gerygone was changed from fly-eater and/or warbler to the genus name, as recommended by the RAOU (Recommended English Names, RAOU 1978).

 

Some years ago, seeking to address my own ignorance, I posted an enquiry on Birding-Aus requesting informed comment on the subject, only to receive nothing apparently authoritative. Responses suggested all three pronunciations, seemingly based on little more than personal belief, typically arising from usual practice.

 

I note Jason Polak’s comment that he learned it as “ger-RIG-a-nee” from ‘one of Sean Dooley’s books’, but it is unclear as to whether that is a hard ‘g’ (gur) or a soft ‘g’ (jer).

 

I own a copy of the wonderful Australian Bird Names – A Complete Guide by Ian Fraser and Jeannie Gray (CSIRO 2013) in which the matter is dealt with as follows:

 

Gerygone Gould, 1841 [dje-RI-go-ne]: ‘child of song’, from Greek gerugonos, child of song (an echo), geruo, sing (including to sing of or celebrate), and gone, offspring or birth. (Note that due to technical difficulties I have omitted the accents on the Greek letters which are shown in the book.)

 

I don’t know just how authoritative this is but it strongly suggests that Jer-RIG-oh-nuh (with a soft ‘g’ and perhaps no distinct ‘nee’ at the end) is the correct/preferred pronunciation.

 

Other contributions?

 

Richard

 

 

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Indeed, I pronounce it ger-RIG-a-nee, which I learned from one of Sean Dooley's books (actually I learned a lot of my pronunciations from there)!

Jason

 

 

On 2020-08-26 2:08 a.m., Carol Probets wrote:

 

> Hi Chris,

>

> After the Buff-rumped you have (1) Brown Thornbill, (2)

> Chestnut-rumped,

> (3) Yellow Thornbill, and the last one is Mangrove Gerygone.

>

> And to answer your gerygone question in the 4th paragraph, in my

> experience it’s usually pronounced “jer-RIG-a-nee” (with accent on the

> second syllable) but I’ve also heard it said with a hard g -

> “ger-RIG-a-nee”. The only people that say “jerry-gone” are people who

> have only read the word and haven’t heard other birders pronounce it

> :-)

>

> Cheers,

>

> Carol

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