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Cryptic Honeyeater

To: "'Tom Wilson'" <>, "'Phil Gregory'" <>
Subject: Cryptic Honeyeater
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 15:32:29 +1100

Yes, and so the name Imitatress, one might be led into thinking the honeyeater mimics others (at least if it references vocal mimicry, which is the usual use of the word “mimic” in birds) would best fit the Regent Honeyeater. I am wondering if it is fair to say that Graceful/Cryptic/Yellow-spotted complex do imitate one another in looks. Rather than imitate or mimic, isn’t it just the case that they are closely related and nearby species that have not yet diverged much and still look so similar just because of that. A real mimic is something that is not at all closely related, that has come (historically) from afar and developed attributes to resemble something very different, usually for a specific function, like ants that copy a spider or an octopus that looks like a fish.

 

Bird vocal mimics generally don’t mimic similar species but the Regent Honeyeater is an exception to that.

 

Philip

 

From: Birding-Aus [ On Behalf Of Tom Wilson
Sent: Sunday, 26 January, 2020 2:52 PM
To: Tony Russell; Phil Gregory
Cc: Birding-Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Cryptic Honeyeater

 

I have no influence over any of this...but I like Cryptic – as Imitatress means a female imitator, one might be led into thinking the honeyeater mimics others (although I appreciate that Graceful/Cryptic/Yellow-spotted complex do imitate one another in looks) – Cryptic works better to me.

Cheers

Tom Wilson

 

 

From: Tony Russell

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 10:55 AM

To: Phil Gregory

Cc: Birding-Aus

Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Cryptic Honeyeater

 

agreed

 

On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 19:29, Phil Gregory <> wrote:

IOC Michael, after quite a lengthy process, which involved Lloyd as the proposer of the new species. To cut a long story short he was happy with Cryptic, one can go round and round forever so I am hoping we can persuade BirdLife to forgo Imitatress!

 

 

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