Precisely who actually decided on the name "Cryptic" on our behalf ? (name or
names please)
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> 1. Re: Cryptic Honeyeater (Geoffrey Dabb)
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> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 08:35:43 +1100
> From: "Geoffrey Dabb" <>
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Cryptic Honeyeater
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> I expect this will be considered by the BLA English Names Committee. A
> suitable local name or a suggestion published by the proposer might be
> eligible. Uniformity with global lists is another consideration but not
> necessarily a strong one where there is only a recent invention. Where a
> species occurs entirely within Australia, I would expect global lists, over
> time, to accept the English name used in Australia. There are so many
> different views on names that calling for suggestions is not usually a
> rewarding experience. However if you have reasons in support of a particular
> name for this one you can send them to me, if you like.
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> Geoffrey
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> From: Birding-Aus <> On Behalf Of Phil
> Gregory
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Cryptic Honeyeater
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> Hmm, unlikely as generally these minor variants are not recognised. Be
> interesting to see which one wins out, Cryptic or Imitatress ( word I have
> never heard before and feminine gender like the scientific name). Maybe we
> can get to resurrect actress if this trend kicks off?
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> Regards
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> Phil Gregory
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> Did anyone ask the traditional owners of the country if it already has a name
> that is still known We might have ended up with better one.
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> Andrew Bell
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> On 23 Jan 2020, at 07:57, Phil Gregory <
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> ?Following a great paper by Lloyd Nielsen last year in AFO, IOC has accepted
> the split of what is now called Cryptic Honeyeater from Graceful Honeyeater,
> which occurs further up Cape York from N of Cooktown on and into S. New
> Guinea. Thus we have a new FNQ endemic, the split also adopted by BirdLife
> but with the ludicrous name of Imitatress Honeyeater (derived from the
> scientific name of imitatrix). There was considerable debate on IOC about
> what to call it, with the placeholder of Quiet Honeyeater initially, which
> no-one liked, and eventually Cryptic seemed like a good solution.
>
> So Graceful Honeyeater from Cooktown south is now this species, as flagged in
> the Field Guide to Birds of North Queensland by Jun Matsui and I (New Holland
> 2019)
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> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:52:04 +1030
> From: Tony Russell <>
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> Cc: Phil Gregory <>, Andrew Bell
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> Well, it's gone into my list as CRYPTIC which will do for the noo.
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>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 10:44, Geoffrey Dabb <> wrote:
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>> I expect this will be considered by the BLA English Names Committee. A
>> suitable local name or a suggestion published by the proposer might be
>> eligible. Uniformity with global lists is another consideration but not
>> necessarily a strong one where there is only a recent invention. Where a
>> species occurs entirely within Australia, I would expect global lists, over
>> time, to accept the English name used in Australia. There are so many
>> different views on names that calling for suggestions is not usually a
>> rewarding experience. However if you have reasons in support of a
>> particular name for this one you can send them to me, if you like.
>>
>>
>>
>> Geoffrey
>>
>> *From:* Birding-Aus <> *On Behalf Of *Phil
>> Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 23 January 2020 10:54 PM
>> *To:* Andrew Bell <>
>> *Cc:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [Birding-Aus] Cryptic Honeyeater
>>
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>>
>> Hmm, unlikely as generally these minor variants are not recognised. Be
>> interesting to see which one wins out, Cryptic or Imitatress ( word I have
>> never heard before and feminine gender like the scientific name). Maybe we
>> can get to resurrect actress if this trend kicks off?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>>
>>
>>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary House / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 387
>> Kuranda
>> QLD 4881
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 40 937 318
>>
>> Email:
>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>>
>> Website 2: http://www.cassowary-house.com.au
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>> Website 3: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
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>> On 23 Jan 2020, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Bell <> wrote:
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>> Did anyone ask the traditional owners of the country if it already has a
>> name that is still known We might have ended up with better one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Bell
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 Jan 2020, at 07:57, Phil Gregory <> wrote:
>>
>> ?Following a great paper by Lloyd Nielsen last year in AFO, IOC has
>> accepted the split of what is now called Cryptic Honeyeater from Graceful
>> Honeyeater, which occurs further up Cape York from N of Cooktown on and
>> into S. New Guinea. Thus we have a new FNQ endemic, the split also adopted
>> by BirdLife but with the ludicrous name of Imitatress Honeyeater (derived
>> from the scientific name of imitatrix). There was considerable debate on
>> IOC about what to call it, with the placeholder of Quiet Honeyeater
>> initially, which no-one liked, and eventually Cryptic seemed like a good
>> solution.
>>
>> So Graceful Honeyeater from Cooktown south is now this species, as flagged
>> in the *Field Guide to Birds of North Queensland *by Jun Matsui and I
>> (New Holland 2019)
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>>
>>
>>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary House / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 387
>> Kuranda
>> QLD 4881
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 40 937 318
>>
>> Email:
>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>>
>> Website 2: http://www.cassowary-house.com.au
>>
>> Website 3: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
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> Over the last 12 days a single Regent Honeyeater has been observed by many
> watchers on the fringes of Canberra's 'inner north'. As one commented to
> me ' it has brought a lot of joy to birdos during this terrible time of fire
> and drought and now hail storm'. The weight of expert opinion is that it is
> a female. While the 'bare patch' might be described as small it has a very
> thick crop of what I would call 'tubercles' (cf HANZAB 'nodules' and Gould
> 'warty excrescences'). These appear, at the margin, to be growing up
> through the bristly feather growth - hence very little visible true 'bare
> skin'. There are more and smaller tubercles visible on the right side
> (about 50) than the left (about 40). (I remember an Australian Nobel
> prize-winner saying 'All science is counting'. In view of my information
> offered here you might be inclined to add 'but not all counting is science'.
> Perhaps not.) Photos in the BLA Gallery show the many different kinds of
> 'bare patch' you might find in this species. This one appears quite close
> to the specimens shown in the Gould lithograph. (Below - snip from original
> available on NLA website).
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