Help Again

To: "'Michael Tarburton'" <>
Subject: Help Again
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:08:34 +1100
Hi Mike,

That consideration doesn't make Alan correct or not. It is surely too weird 
looking to coincidentally be anything other than one of the BOP. Jurong Bird 
Park has birds from all around the world. However, according to the Forshaw & 
Cooper, Birds of Paradise & Bowerbirds, book, painting and text (and there are 
none better than Cooper), this photo is an exact match to Red Bird of Paradise, 
female. It doesn't actually occur in PNG but only on three islands off the 
extreme west of Papua, Irian Jaya. I can only add that whilst male & female 
Bird of Paradise are all / mostly very different in special feathers and 
colours, I recall the two birds in the aviary were more different in shape and 
size and probably beak to be the same species of BOP. Sadly not that odd for 
zoo labels to be wrong.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tarburton  
Sent: Thursday, 8 March, 2018 7:45 PM
To: Philip Veerman
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Help Again


If this bird is also found in New Guinea then Alan is correct it is a female 



> On 8 Mar 2018, at 8:13 AM, Philip Veerman <> wrote:
> I believe I recall seeing the same bird at Jurong Bird Park in September
> 2014 and wondering what it is. The little camera I have is insufficient for
> taking bird photos. I knew it was a female Bird of Paradise (of some kind).
> By my memory, the label on the aviary was to the effect of another Bird of
> Paradise species, I don't remember which. At the time I believed that the
> aviary contained a male and female of 2 different species of Bird of
> Paradise. I recall thinking it was maybe correct for the male. If it was not
> the same bird, then my story is still true.
> Philip
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of
> Alan Gillanders
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 March, 2018 6:22 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Help Again
> David,
> That's a Red Bird of Paradise, female.
> Regards,
> Alan
> On 7/03/2018 4:44 PM,  wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I hope you don't mind if I post a photo of the odd bird from overseas
> which
>> I cannot identify?  The attached photo was taken a little while ago at the
>> Jurong Bird Park. I have no idea what it is. Any help out there?
>> Thanks
>> David in Blackheath
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