Thanks Dave,
Will look it up over the weekend unless a Pitta
person out there in the ether knows.
From: Dave Torr
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2017 1:59 PM
To: Michael Hunter
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: Pitta name change
Sorry - should have included one more line from the spreadsheet - all E.
macklotti.
Can't answer the question - IOC treats them as separate.....
On 13 April 2017 at 13:49, Michael Hunter <> wrote:
So, to be pedantic about it, these are now subspecies of Erythropitta
macklotii, previously of E. Erythrogaster ?
The fifth column only says” Cape York Pen” as breeding range for digglesii,
loriae as breeding se New Guinea. Presumably digglesii is not defined
by being a breeding migrant to Cape York ? Is digglesii sympatric with
loriae in se NewGuinea?
From: Dave Torr
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2017 1:10 PM
To: Michael Hunter
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: Pitta name change
>From the IOC list (the 5th col is the breeding range)
habenichti
(Finsch, 1912)
n New Guinea
SSP
Valid ssp? (Collar et al. 2015, Beehler & Pratt 2016)
finschii
(Ramsay, EP, 1884)
D'Entrecasteaux Arch.
SSP
Valid ssp? (Collar et al. 2015, Beehler & Pratt 2016)
macklotii
(Temminck, 1834)
w and s New Guinea
SSP
Includes aruensis, kuehni, strenua
loriae
(Salvadori, 1890)
se New Guinea
SSP
includes oblita, but see Collar et al. (2015)
digglesi
(Krefft, 1869)
Cape York Pen. (ne Australia)
SSP
see Shodde & Mason 1999, Collar et al 2016. Includes yorki
On 13 April 2017 at 12:53, Michael Hunter <> wrote:
Thanks Dave.
What is the distribution of the other 4 New
Guinean Erythropitta macklotii, and do they have fabulous names like
“digglesi “? If they do this would take the edge of the foreign infliction of
name changes.
Who is Diggles anyway, a Papuan aviator?
From: Dave Torr
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2017 8:45 AM
To: Charles
Cc: Michael Hunter;
Subject: Pitta name change
According to IOC there are 5 subspecies - 4 are only in New Guinea, the 5th
commutes between New Guinea and Cape York, so I guess the name is fair!
On 13 April 2017 at 07:58, Charles via Birding-Aus
<> wrote:
Hi Michael,
A couple of Indonesian birding pals told me about the (proposed) name change in
May 2016 when I was in Sulawesi.....
Is it Papuan because it spends more time there than Australia?
Cheers,
Charles Hunter
+61 402 907 577 <tel:%2B61%20402%20907%20577>
> On 12 Apr 2017, at 11:09 PM, Michael Hunter <> wrote:
>
>
> Without sounding bitta about it, why are we Antipodeans last to know about,
> and did we have any input into, the name change fro Red-bellied to Papuan
> Pitta?
>
> Tears not Cheers
>
> Michael
> Sent from my iPhone
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