Sorry - should have included one more line from the spreadsheet - all E.
macklotti.
Can't answer the question - IOC treats them as separate.....
On 13 April 2017 at 13:49, Michael Hunter <> wrote:
> So, to be pedantic about it, these are now subspecies of Erythropitta
> macklotii, previously of E. Erythrogaster ?
>
>
>
> The fifth column only says” Cape York Pen” as breeding range for
> digglesii, loriae as breeding se New Guinea. Presumably
> digglesii is not defined by being a breeding migrant to Cape York ? Is
> digglesii sympatric with loriae in se NewGuinea?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Torr
> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 April 2017 1:10 PM
> *To:* Michael Hunter
> *Cc:* birding-aus
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Birding-Aus] Pitta name change
>
>
>
> From the IOC list (the 5th col is the breeding range)
>
> habenichti
>
> (Finsch, 1912)
>
> n New Guinea
>
> SSP
>
> Valid ssp? (Collar et al. 2015, Beehler & Pratt 2016)
>
> finschii
>
> (Ramsay, EP, 1884)
>
> D'Entrecasteaux Arch.
>
> SSP
>
> Valid ssp? (Collar et al. 2015, Beehler & Pratt 2016)
>
> macklotii
>
> (Temminck, 1834)
>
> w and s New Guinea
>
> SSP
>
> Includes *aruensis, kuehni, strenua*
>
> loriae
>
> (Salvadori, 1890)
>
> se New Guinea
>
> SSP
>
> includes* oblita*, but see Collar et al. (2015)
>
> digglesi
>
> (Krefft, 1869)
>
> Cape York Pen. (ne Australia)
>
> SSP
>
> see Shodde & Mason 1999, Collar et al 2016. Includes* yorki*
>
>
>
>
>
> On 13 April 2017 at 12:53, Michael Hunter <>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Dave.
>
>
>
> What is the distribution of the other 4
> New Guinean Erythropitta macklotii, and do they have fabulous names like
> “digglesi “? If they do this would take the edge of the foreign
> infliction of name changes.
>
>
>
> Who is Diggles anyway, a Papuan aviator?
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Torr
> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 April 2017 8:45 AM
> *To:* Charles
> *Cc:* Michael Hunter;
> *Subject:* Re: [Birding-Aus] Pitta name change
>
>
>
> According to IOC there are 5 subspecies - 4 are only in New Guinea, the
> 5th commutes between New Guinea and Cape York, so I guess the name is fair!
>
>
>
> On 13 April 2017 at 07:58, Charles via Birding-Aus <
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> A couple of Indonesian birding pals told me about the (proposed) name
> change in May 2016 when I was in Sulawesi.....
>
> Is it Papuan because it spends more time there than Australia?
>
> Cheers,
> Charles Hunter
> +61 402 907 577
> > On 12 Apr 2017, at 11:09 PM, Michael Hunter <>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Without sounding bitta about it, why are we Antipodeans last to know
> about, and did we have any input into, the name change fro Red-bellied to
> Papuan Pitta?
> >
> > Tears not Cheers
> >
> > Michael
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> Has anyone noticed that the latest IOC list, version 7.1, has split
> >> Red-bellied Pitta, Erythropitta erythrogaster? The common name for
> >> Red-bellied Pitta has disappeared. The scientific name now belongs to
> >> Phillipine Pitta and the bird in Australia is now the Papuan Pitta,
> >> Erythropitta macklotii (sub-species digglesi).
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