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To: 'Tony Russell' <>, 'Denise Goodfellow' <>
Subject: names [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
From: "Perkins, Harvey" <>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 03:10:14 +0000
I dunno - sounds awfully close to Jacana which could lead to confusion on the 
billabongs...

Harvey

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-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
Tony Russell
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2017 2:00 PM
To: 'Denise Goodfellow' <>; 'michael hunter' 
<>
Cc: 'birding-aus' <>
Subject: names

Well I reckon we should call it DJAGANA then.  Surely no other bird in the 
world has that name. I'm changing my birdlist now.

-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
Denise Goodfellow
Sent: 24 January 2017 02:05
To: michael hunter
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: names

When I asked the question on Facebook most replied that they called the bird 
'Jabiru' even though some were aware of the official name.  A Bininj grandson 
in Gunbalanya wrote "Yeah at top end area we called it jabiru big name but 
aboriginal name its DJAGANA".  And he's right, as far as Kunwinjku and related 
peoples are concerned - in my experience they all use 'Jabiru', as do most of 
the people I guided over thirty years.

Much of Australia's avifauna (and other fauna) is known by European names, 
although there is no close taxonomic association. And 'Bandicoot'  is the 
common name of a genus of Asian rodents.  I don't see anyone calling for these 
names to be changed.

Denise Lawungkurr  Goodfellow
PO Box 71
Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
043 8650 835








On 23 Jan 2017, at 3:56 pm, michael hunter <> wrote:

>
>   Once again a few academics, mostly not Australian, if not
> Un-Australian,
are foisting otherworldly names onto us Aussie birders.
>
>  Common names , NOT ENGLISH names, for Australian birds are names
> commonly
used by about 99% of Australian birdwatchers for our birds. It is appalling 
that colourless English names like Black-necked Stork have been inflicted on us 
by a few pseudo-academics who are presumably incapable of memorising Scientific 
names.  Jabiru may be the common name of a South American Stork, but changing 
the official "common" name for any birdwatcher witless enough to confuse the 
two in the field was an amazing arrogance. One justification was that people 
reading birdguides will be confused in not justified.
>
>   These people are meddling with our Australian common names, which
> are ,
or were, spontaneous non-scientific vernacular.
>   Among many examples, "Jabiru" and "Torres Straits Pigeon" had
> romantic
(in the broad sense folks) connotations lost in the bland generics we are told 
to use instead. As a youth my first sighting of the legendary Jabiru was very 
exciting, and stimulated a life-long interest in Birding.  Seeing a 
Black-necked Stork would not have.
>
>  "Willy Fantail"   They must be joking.
>
>         Resist.
>
>                Michael
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