To: 'Elliot Leach' <>, 'martin cachard' <>
Subject: E H/E
From: Sheena Gillman <>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 04:29:58 +0000
Thanks so much for your understanding Martin and Elliot.

You may know I have a long association with the eastern bristlebird recovery 

Once The Loop birds went viral (there existed lots of historical data anyway) 
those birds were pestered to death.

I defended birders at recovery meetings but then found a ranger telling me of 
what he had witnessed, while working away on his veg work – not good I’m 
afraid. No one was poaching  of course but certainly playing sound to an 
inappropriate extent. I f they had sat and waited, those birds behaved like 
sparrows and they would not have had to follow then down the tracks.

I will let the Mackay folk know all is well – thank you again.




From: Elliot Leach  
Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2015 1:57 PM
To: martin cachard
Cc: Sheena Gillman; 
Subject: Re: E H/E


Just respond to the person making the RFI off-list.


On 11 June 2015 at 13:50, martin cachard < 
<> > wrote:

Hi Sheena,
Thanks for your very alarming note - needless to say, I am devastated to hear 
of such appalling behaviour.
I guess I was really only interested in starting and continuing this thread for 
the benefit of others in their future searches for this severely 
range-restricted species.
I agree fully with Sheena that there should be some discretion shown with any 
public on-line comments made on this species given that such threats are 
possible, no matter how unlikely they may be to actually eventuate. Therefore I 
will not be personally adding to this thread after this post.
What is this world coming to...??!!
martin cachard,
trinity beach,




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Subject: E H/E
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:45:46 +1000


Good morning fine men


I lived for many years in the Whitsundays and spent many  a good weekend in 
Eungella. I met people looking for E H/E fairly often.


You may not know that not too far back, a couple of people from Europe 
(Slavs’?) were found looking for E H/Es to trap. I have been advised local 
people are very concerned about the level of detail being provided on the 
birding-aus forum, describing exactly where birds are and which trees they 
forage in. I expect of course the poachers didn’t capture any – my recollection 
was birders were lucky to see them, never mind have one in the hand like Mc 
Leays H/Es at the café on Mt Spec. However, I don’t have that detail.


I am copying to the birding-aus admin’, clearly their discretion;     I wonder 
if this type of dialogue should occur between interested individuals off line 
from birding-aus? As much as we all want to see these iconic birds, species 
like E H/E have a price on the international market – nothing we do should 
place them at risk. Unfortunately logging is occurring in Crediton Forest, 
another blow to the integrity of adjacent Eungella NP and the well-being of a 
honey eater with such a restricted range.


Best regards to both



(Conservation at BSQ)



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