Grasswrens and fairy-wrens.

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Subject: Grasswrens and fairy-wrens.
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 12:21:15 +1000
I agree with Allan but ultimately someone's tick list is their business and
whatever rules or criteria they wish to use, whether considered silly or not
by me or someone else is their business and we can agree to disagree and
maybe get a laugh from it. Some will include birds caught by someone else on
a banding trip (e.g. you are on a beach in Broome and see thousands of
waders but the only one of a particular species you see is one caught for
banding), others won't include it, or your only record of a Sooty Owl,
Scrub-bird, etc. is hearing it, or a seabird found alive beach washed by
yourself or someone else, that dies soon after, at what point does someone
include it or not..... Three times I believe I have seen a Grey Falcon but
never been certain but I'm pretty sure they weren't something else. Does it
matter? Not really. Should anyone else care? Certainly not. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of
Allan Richardson
Sent: Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:00 PM
To: Peter Ewin
Cc: Martin Cake; 
Subject: Grasswrens and fairy-wrens.

HI Peter,

It is obvious, I think, that all members of a species are just that, and to
deny you've seen one when you actually have, on the grounds that it's
plumage is not distinctive enough for it to be accepted is as silly as
suggesting that a female as distinctive as any male would be worthy of the
ticking privilege in the absence of an adult male - I thought that was

Happy birding


> On 9 May 2015, at 10:08 pm, Peter Ewin <> wrote:
> An interesting concept - would they then tick the Top End or Kimberley
race of the Variegated Fairy-wren where the female is very different to the
southern races, whereas the male is very similar?
> The one Gouldian Finch I have seen was a juvenile bird amongst a flock of
finches near Top Springs Roadhouse - it was actually a challenge to ID and I
would love to see a full adult male, but it is definately on my list!
> Chers,
> Peter
> > From:  <>
> > Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 08:27:13 +1000
> > To:  <>
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Grasswrens and fairy-wrens.
> > CC:  <>
> > 
> > Agree with Graeme Martin - that is a cracking bird (aren't they all?).
> > 
> > I once showed a young birder (who will remain nameless) a family group
of White-winged Fairy-wrens, but all we saw were females, and funnily enough
he wouldn't tick the species on his list until he had seen a coloured up
male. Oh didn't we get into a debate on whether the fairer sex could take
offence to such a notion, but he wouldn't see it any other way. I defy him
not to tick this taxa on a female alone...
> > 
> > Thanks for sharing,

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