Sounds to me like a birder brought up on a diet of Monty Python with tongue
pressed firmly in the cheek. (One birder I could imagine making such a quip is
Bill Oddie, and I wouldn't put it past Jeremy Clarkson dropping a line like
Cheers, and remind me never to make such a twisted remark, even in jest...
> On 20 Feb 2015, at 1:31 pm, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
> 1. I not only have John's permission but encouragement to forward this email
> which he sent to me this morning.
> 2. It is not hearsay, the forwarded email is John's word written in his own
> hand detailing what he heard and saw.
> 3. The accused person has the opportunity to state his/her case on
> Birding-aus. Indeed, I look forward to their side of the story
> 4. It is up to the list members and/or moderators to decide when it is
> "enough on this matter", not one individual.
> As for intemperate language, what I wrote is a greatly modified version of
> what I feel towards a person who would use such tactics as described by John,
> just to tick a bird.
> Carl Clifford
>> On 20 Feb 2015, at 1:47 pm, Richard NOWOTNY <> wrote:
>> I'm going to weigh in again here with a plea for us all to be thoughtful,
>> considered and temperate in our language when we post messages on a public
>> forum such as Birding-Aus.
>> I'm sure Carl had only the best of intentions, but here are some
>> thoughts/comments on his post.
>> 1. Did he seek John's permission before sending John's personal email to the
>> list? John may not wish his private comments to be broadcast in this way
>> (and they may not do him any favours by being made public).
>> 2. Is second-hand information ("hearsay" in legal terms) sufficiently
>> reliable to justify such strong and emotive language directed at another
>> person ["Utter contempt is not adequate enough to describe my feelings
>> towards this person."], particularly when this person has had no opportunity
>> to put their side of the story? (John himself knows all about this.)
>> 3. John states that the supposed miscreant "implied" that a fire might do
>> something. I would like to have the actual statement before concluding that
>> this was a statement of genuine intent or serious consideration, rather than
>> say a careless or even whimsical comment (possibly misinterpreted in a
>> sensitive and volatile setting).
>> I know some might find all of this altogether too prissy and purist, and of
>> course megaphone commentary makes for much more entertaining reading (or
>> listening - think shock-jocks). But shouldn't we try on this forum,
>> particularly with its slightly scientific pretensions, to remain objective,
>> reasonable, fair, decent - you know, all that stuff?
>> And surely that's enough on this matter.
>> Regards. Richard
>>> On 20 Feb 2015, at 11:54 am, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
>>> I have just received this email from John Young, part of which I find very
>>> disturbing. How someone who purports to be a birdwatcher could suggest
>>> setting fire to a fragile environment as spinifex country, just so he could
>>> tick the Night Parrot is quite unfathomable. Utter contempt is not adequate
>>> enough to describe my feelings towards this person. Unfortunately, if I
>>> were to use the phraseology I would like to, I would likely be kicked off
>>> BA for life. Suffice to say, they would be a suitable candidate for
>>> retrospective sterilisation. Enough of my raging, here is John Youngs email:
>>> Hi Carl,
>>> I could not resist complimenting you on your quote about governments “Cloud
>>> Cuckoo Land” how good and factual is that.
>>> Personally I think they are a baby kissing, weak hand shaking waste of
>>> space – hence my stand to avoid them at all costs.
>>> The scary part was I recently had an individual wanting to see the bird for
>>> his list at all costs and cost was the word.
>>> He actually implied that a spinifex fire would force them out the other end
>>> so people could see them if lit when in position.
>>> If I would have been closer I would have beat the #!%# out of him.
>>> Surely our priceless fauna mean more than just a bloody tick.
>>> Our focus as a serious group of people now should be the killing of this
>>> feral menace that has the potential in the VERY near future of wiping some
>>> of our precious fauna off the face of the earth.
>>> A huge thankyou to you and those who are driving this point home..well done.
>>> My turn is coming and I will take no prisoners.
>>> Kind regards
>>> John Young
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