Certainly Indian Peafowl should be recorded, wherever they turn up,
whether free-range domestic, escapee, or established feral.
I certainly took notes of a free-range family of Peafowl encountered
one autumn afternoon on a road somewhere near Seymour. Two parents and 4
young birds - male with train moulted. They were marching up the road
in good order (to the great interest of passing motorists), and
presently crossed it, to go under a gate into a schoolyard (adults had
to squirm rather oddly to manage this) and were last seen moving
directly towards a farm-house. We assumed they had spent the day in a
stubble-field nearby. Presumably they had 'owners' but they seemed
pretty independent.
When I started bird-watching circa 1970, there was something of a
fashion for not recording introduced birds of any species, because they
were 'not Australian birds'. I felt then, and still do, that anything
with feathers should be recorded - likewise mammals, reptiles, frogs,
fish and the more noticeable invertebrates. They are all part of the
environment and can affect its future.
Anthea Fleming
On 20/09/2014 4:02 PM, John Tongue wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying not to record their presence, just whether or not to be
able to "tick" them on a personal list.
People keep all sorts of records, and for all sorts of reasons, :)
Cheers,
John Tongue
Devonport, Tas.
On 20/09/2014, at 10:26 AM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
Well done to James to research and provide the information. If all people had considered it "not tickable" and
considered that was an important criterion for keeping records until a certain period of time (or generations), then if adhered
to, presumably there will be no records of it until after that time. Thus we probably would not have a start date from which to
measure. This would be from "tickers" deciding not to keep records due to some weird logic of "non
tickability". Logically that could infinitely extend a non-decision. The information James sent has indicated that
fortunately not everyone goes by such arbitrary thoughts. I go by: if something is there it is there, if not it is not and
records should reflect that. If something is introduced to a place and does not survive long term then it was still there.
Nonsense about "not tickable" removes information. Beyond that, I wonder are Indian Peafowl any more interesting on
French Island than anywhere else, to want to go there for them, compared to other reasons to go there or other easier places to
see them and why care what "tickable" rules anyone else uses. If the species has ecological impacts, surely that is the
aspect of far greater importance than whether its existence goes on personal tick lists.
Philip
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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] French Island Report – Indian Peafowl
I can't recall what the figures are, now, but I'm sure I've heard it as "So many
years, OR so many generations"
Either way, come to Tassie. We've got tick-able Peafowl…. ;)
Cheers,
John Tongue
Devonport, Tas.
On 20/09/2014, at 8:16 AM, Dave Torr <> wrote:
Interesting report James. I have seen a "10 year period" mentioned
before when considering whether or not birds are "tickable" and I
wonder what the basis for this is - for some small birds this could
represent 10 generations I guess, whereas for an Ostrich it might be
barely 3 generations. I would personally have thought that 3
generations is a reasonable proof of being wild, but this means the
criteria would change according to species?
<>
Fueled by that piece of information I shot off a couple of emails to
other Victorian birders who shared the common belief that it is
actually quite probable, but further proof of the ten year wild
status and self-sustainment policy was required.
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