Be careful when quoting polls, some organisations might use the results to
promote differing agendas....
Tom
On 09/09/2014 10:25 AM, "Denise Goodfellow" <>
wrote:
> Eric
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> as a birding guide for 30+ years I agree with you on the complexity of
> birders. And my research shows that as well.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
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> On 9 Sep 2014, at 8:33 am, Eric Jeffrey via Birding-Aus <
> > wrote:
>
> > I was not trying to say it was wrong, just not perhaps a complete
> picture. When I think of keenest birders I do not necessarily think of
> listers, although some may have big lists. I would consider Kenn a keener
> birder than many who are mainly focused on listing. He posts regularly, for
> example about his local Magee Marsh and probably spends more time in the
> field than many listers. Pete Dunne, Paul Baicich, the late Paul Dumont,
> Jim Gordon and David Sibley are among the many who have done much for
> conservation.
> >
> > My point is not there are not people as you describe, but that there are
> also many who are quite different, so the picture is much more complex.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Denise Goodfellow <
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know Kenn used to be an avid lister and then decided that adding new
> birds was not the most important thing in the world. And I know Jonathon
> Franzen is a conservationist as well as a lister from personal experience,
> but that doesn't mean my research (or that of others) is wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
> >> PO Box 71
> >> Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
> >>
> >> PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW.
> >>
> >> Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia
> >> Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern
> Territory
> >> 043 8650 835
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 9 Sep 2014, at 7:33 am, Eric Jeffrey via Birding-Aus <
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I am not sure that is quite right. Although we undoubtedly have
> listers who have but limited interest in conservation, many of our biggest
> names in birding are also conservationists. The poster person for that
> would be Kenn Kaufmann, one of our top birders and an ardent
> conservationist. Most of the other top birders I have met are also keenly
> interested in conservation.
> >>>
> >>> Eric Jeffrey
> >>> Falls Church, VA
> >>> USA
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Dave Torr <> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Depressing!
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9 September 2014 07:45, Denise Goodfellow <
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> According to my research on US birders, the keenest are often least
> likely
> >>>>> to be particularly conservation-minded.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
> >>>>> PO Box 71
> >>>>> Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia
> >>>>> Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern
> >>>>> Territory
> >>>>> 043 8650 835
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9 Sep 2014, at 6:15 am, Dave Torr <> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When questioned most people say they are willing to support "good
> causes".
> >>>>> They even say they will vote for politicians who will support such
> things.
> >>>>> But in practice relatively few do - if the figures quoted in the
> article
> >>>>> were actually representative of reality then BirdLife Australia -
> surely
> >>>>> one of the major "bird conservation" bodies in the country - would
> have a
> >>>>> much larger income and supporter base than it actually has. And
> perhaps the
> >>>>> makeup of our parliaments would be a little different.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9 September 2014 04:14, Julian Bielewicz <
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greetings All
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suspect that Dave is sadly on the right track; to give one has to
> care
> >>>>> first.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julian
> >>>>>
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