I was not trying to say it was wrong, just not perhaps a complete picture. When
I think of keenest birders I do not necessarily think of listers, although some
may have big lists. I would consider Kenn a keener birder than many who are
mainly focused on listing. He posts regularly, for example about his local
Magee Marsh and probably spends more time in the field than many listers. Pete
Dunne, Paul Baicich, the late Paul Dumont, Jim Gordon and David Sibley are
among the many who have done much for conservation.
My point is not there are not people as you describe, but that there are also
many who are quite different, so the picture is much more complex.
Best
Eric
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> On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Denise Goodfellow <>
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> I know Kenn used to be an avid lister and then decided that adding new birds
> was not the most important thing in the world. And I know Jonathon Franzen is
> a conservationist as well as a lister from personal experience, but that
> doesn’t mean my research (or that of others) is wrong.
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> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
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>> On 9 Sep 2014, at 7:33 am, Eric Jeffrey via Birding-Aus
>> <> wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure that is quite right. Although we undoubtedly have listers who
>> have but limited interest in conservation, many of our biggest names in
>> birding are also conservationists. The poster person for that would be Kenn
>> Kaufmann, one of our top birders and an ardent conservationist. Most of the
>> other top birders I have met are also keenly interested in conservation.
>>
>> Eric Jeffrey
>> Falls Church, VA
>> USA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Dave Torr <> wrote:
>>>
>>> Depressing!
>>>
>>> On 9 September 2014 07:45, Denise Goodfellow <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to my research on US birders, the keenest are often least likely
>>>> to be particularly conservation-minded.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
>>>> PO Box 71
>>>> Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
>>>>
>>>> PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW.
>>>>
>>>> Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia
>>>> Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern
>>>> Territory
>>>> 043 8650 835
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On 9 Sep 2014, at 6:15 am, Dave Torr <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When questioned most people say they are willing to support "good causes".
>>>> They even say they will vote for politicians who will support such things.
>>>> But in practice relatively few do - if the figures quoted in the article
>>>> were actually representative of reality then BirdLife Australia - surely
>>>> one of the major "bird conservation" bodies in the country - would have a
>>>> much larger income and supporter base than it actually has. And perhaps the
>>>> makeup of our parliaments would be a little different.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 September 2014 04:14, Julian Bielewicz <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greetings All
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that Dave is sadly on the right track; to give one has to care
>>>> first.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Julian
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