Yellow Bittern at North Lakes

To: Nicolette Thompson <>, "" <>
Subject: Yellow Bittern at North Lakes
From: martin cachard <>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:20:20 +1030
hi Nicci, Brendon & others...
my "name & shame" outburst was made purely on the assumption that Sandra's 
lengthy comment was indeed accurate, & hence caused myself, Kevin Bartram, 
Denise Longfellow & a few others to react how we did.
if Sandra's comment had been accurate then I would stand in this position.
however it seems that her comment was NOT accurate at all, & therefore my "name 
& shame" outburst was not necessary...
BUT,  if what Sandra reported did happen again in a similar way & there was 
evidence that it did, then I would happily do exactly the same thing again & 
encourage any witnesses to such misbehaviour to get their car rego or similar 
so that they can be "named & shamed"!!
I too possess a camera with a big white lens, so I consider myself an avid 
birder who takes reasonable photos of birds & other wildlife, so I have nothing 
against those who do the same - just those who disturb the wildlife in a 
selfish way...
this isn't an apology, just an explanation.
martin cachard,
0428 782 808

> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:23:27 +1000
> From: 
> To: 
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Yellow Bittern at North Lakes
> I was one of the birders at North Lakes on Friday.  I saw the email from
> Sandra Gallienne when I arrived home last night and immediately let her
> know that her account of the day was not based on fact.  I did this in the
> hope that she would retract her statement and thus avoid the usual
> acrimonious emails.  She has neither done this nor responded to me.
> On Friday morning the Yellow Bittern was not at the lake where Paul had
> seen it.  When I and a friend arrived we met two birders who had been there
> since early morning and who had not seen the bird. It was not FLUSHED by
> birders or photographers.  It simply was not there.  I did speak to a few
> folk who had left the footpaths contrary to Paul's request. Some moved back
> immediately and only a couple remained where they were.  There are always a
> couple of people in any group to whom any considerations don't apply,
> aren't there?  Anyway they didn't flush or chase the bird as it wasn't
> there.  The waterfowl were foraging or loafing in and around the lake and
> were in no way perturbed by the dozen or so watchers plus various bikers,
> walkers and dog walkers who I guess are regulars in the area.
> Late morning a gentleman came back to the lake to let us know that the YB
> was across the road at the Golf Club. There was no great rush across.  As
> the message spread folk walked across to the pond to watch or photograph
> the bird.  Eventually officials from the Gold Club came to talk to us
> because the pond was in the line of fire from the golfers and it was a
> safety issue.
> They were very interested once they knew what we were doing.  After a
> discussion about safety issues versus our interests they were going to work
> on  some management strategies for the following day so that both could be
> satisfied.  We left at midday, so I can't comment on anything that happened
> after that .
> Sadly, Sandra's email has caused a lot of angst and unnecessary back-biting
> on this forum.
> I would also like to know on what grounds Sandra has given herself the
> authority to tell us that 'birders are now asked to refrain from visiting
> this site'
> Nicci Thompson
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