My mother told of inadvertently eating cat dim sims in Melbourne during the
War. The Chinese restaurant was prosecuted which is how she found out what she
had been eating!
Denise
On 2 Jul 2014, at 4:50 pm, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
> Perhaps we should be promoting the eating qualities of cats. I have
> inadvertently eaten kitty kebabs in Beijing and found them to be quite tasty.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
> On 2 Jul 2014, at 17:12, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Many years ago I had a cat. One day it brought home a Forest Kingfisher. I
>> never kept another. But there was another reason for my not wanting to own
>> a cat. I lean red that the children of Aboriginal relatives coming to town
>> for boarding school or shopping, had discovered the delights of kittens,
>> either through advertising or classmates. Next thing kittens were being
>> taken back to outstations in Arnhem Land. On a camping trip to the East
>> Alligator in the late 1970s I awoke, one night to find half a dozen pairs of
>> cat eyes watching me and my friend. Combined with the habitat clearing
>> brought about by too frequent or destructive fire cats appear to be a major
>> reason for the decline of mammals and some birds in the Top End. Down
>> south the presence of foxes (and rabbits) may muddy the picture, but neither
>> exist here in the Top End.
>>
>> Perhaps the overt keeping of cats should be delegitimised like cigarette
>> smoking. That doesn’t necessarily stop people from smoking, but it may mean
>> that cats are less attractive and have less status than our native wildlife.
>>
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Jul 2014, at 4:27 pm, Kim Sterelny <> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> I have talked to quite a few ecologists about this at ANU, and the message
>>> I hear is much more mixed, suggesting that cat impact varies a lot from
>>> place to place, because cats do not only eat native animals, they eat a lot
>>> of rats, mice and rabbits. That said, there is a lot of variation in
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> It is a while since I reread any of the work in WA on numbat reintroduction
>>> but at one stage their experimental manipulations on small mammal
>>> populations showed a large impact from fox control, but much less from cat
>>> control. Anyone kept up to date on this?
>>>
>>> I'll come clean on this: I do have a domestic cat in inner Canberra where
>>> we rent, which takes a lot of rats (over 30 in one month) and no birds; I
>>> also have a bush property, and I would never keep a cat there (not until
>>> too old to hunt, anyway)
>>>
>>> kim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kim Sterelny
>>> Philosophy Program
>>> RSSS, ANU
>>>
>>> e-mail
>>>
>>>
>>> ANU Contact Information
>>> Philosophy Program
>>> Research School of the Social Sciences
>>> Australian National University
>>> 0200 Canberra, ACT, Australia
>>>
>>> phone
>>>
>>> 61- (0)2 6125-2886; messages: Philosophy Program
>>>
>>> 61-(0)2 -6125 2341,
>>> fax 61-(0)2 - 6125 3294
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/07/2014, at 4:43 PM, Greg and Val Clancy wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am with you Denise. There are a few responsible cat owners who keep
>>>> their pets in doors or in a run in the yard but the majority don't. With
>>>> the millions of domestic cats in Australia the toll on wildlife must be
>>>> great. People are usually aware of the impact of feral cats on native
>>>> wildlife but don't realise that their moggy is also a major threat. Any
>>>> cat not in the owners house or cat run should be declared 'feral' and be
>>>> eliminated. Years ago the NSW government produced a green paper on
>>>> companion animals which called for serious and much needed controls on
>>>> domestic pets, including cats. The pet food industry lobbied the
>>>> government and the end result was a lame act, particularly with respect to
>>>> cats. My aging mother-in-law, who had the early stages of dementia at the
>>>> time, was being disturbed at night by a neighbour's cat. The Council
>>>> ranger said that they could only act after it was established that the cat
>>>> was a nuisance and that my mother-in-law would need to keep a diary on the
>>>> movements of the cat. I don't blame the ranger as he has to work within
>>>> the legislation but the control of cats is like the human over-population
>>>> issue, the elephant in the room.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Greg. P. Clancy
>>>> Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
>>>> | PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
>>>> | 02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960
>>>> http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com
>>>> http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 4:02 PM
>>>> To: Carl Clifford
>>>> Cc: Birding Aus
>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened species commissioner appointed to
>>>> helpsave native wildlife | Environment | theguardian.com
>>>>
>>>> I challenge prominent Australians to stick their necks out and call for
>>>> control of all cats.
>>>>
>>>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
>>>> PO Box 71
>>>> Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Jul 2014, at 2:56 pm, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice to see that the Government is doing something about feral cat
>>>>> control. What the results will be, who knows. An awful lot of bait will
>>>>> have to be laid for effective control.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/02/threatened-species-commissioner-to-combat-decline-of-native-wildlife
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Clifford
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