Not being a Facebook user I was unaware of the background. Thanks for
straightening the situation, and me, out.
On 23 February 2014 19:46, Jenny Spry <> wrote:
> But in this case Martin, mail was sent to B - A via some list members
> advising "birders" that the rangers wanted people to contact them to
> arrange entry and also how to contact the rangers, either at their office
> at Point Cook Road, about 5 km from the restricted area and the birds, or
> by phone.
> Also in this case some of the "birders" who entered the area without
> permission were totally open about it and posted comments on Facebook
> saying when they entered the area and giving directions to other birders as
> to the best way and places to "jump the fence".
> In this case the 'rangers' did use mechanisms such as birding-aus, via the
> Melbourne birding community. And in this case some of the specific
> offenders were quite happy to comment on Facebook.
> This situation need not have arisen because, as can be seen on Birdline
> Vic for Saturday 22/2, the birds can be seen and photographed on the
> totally open to the public rocks along the beach. "jumping the fence" as
> promoted by some on Facebook is not needed if for some reason the rangers
> had refused entry at the time the "birder" want to see the birds.
> On 23 February 2014 18:20, Martin Butterfield <>wrote:
>> It is a pity that 'birders' seem to be offenders of choice by rangers
>> whenever malfeasance has occurred in the vicinity of birding sites. There
>> rarely seems to be any specifics attached to such statements and 'rangers'
>> rarely seem to use mechanisms such as birding-aus to seek support for
>> activities or to draw folks attention to bad behaviour.
>> Martin Butterfield
>> On 23 February 2014 17:26, Paul Dodd <> wrote:
>> > Hi birders,
>> > Ruth and I went to Point Cook today to have another look for the
>> > American Golden Plover. We had previously tried in December with no
>> > In
>> > December, however, we caught up with Bernie, one of the rangers, and he
>> > allowed us to drive into the restricted area to look for the bird. I
>> > that access has been provided in recent times and that Bernie has even
>> > driven people around the site to find both the AGP and the Oriental
>> > that is present. Anyway, today we called Bernie to see if we could get
>> > access and he told us that Parks Victoria would no longer be providing
>> > access to the restricted part of Cheetham wetlands because birders have
>> > apparently caused damage to gates and fences and have been caught
>> > over sensitive habitat (he said "nesting sites"). This means that the
>> > that the Oriental Plover has been seen is off-limits, as is the
>> > roost for the Golden Plovers).
>> > The good news, though, is that it is still possible to see the American
>> > Golden Plover. Ruth and I found a group of at least 17 Golden Plovers on
>> > the
>> > westernmost rocky point near the homestead about four hours after high
>> > tide.
>> > When we were there in December we also found a group of six Golden
>> > at the same spot - unfortunately something spooked them before we could
>> > close. Of the 17 Golden Plovers, one immediately stood out as being
>> > different (a paler bird with a much broader supercilium). I will post
>> > pictures in a day or two, but I have been having Internet speed problems
>> > and
>> > need to get that resolved first. In the meantime I posted a small image
>> > Birdline.
>> > Paul Dodd
>> > Docklands, Victoria
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