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Shy Albatross x 2 on offer

To: Tony Russell <>, "Philip A. Veerman" <>, 'Allan Richardson' <>, John Harris <>
Subject: Shy Albatross x 2 on offer
From: Denise Goodfellow <>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:47:21 +0930
I was threatened with prosecution for taking dead snakes to my son's school
to teach the kids the difference between venomous and non-venomous species.
I told the ranger whom I knew to go ahead.  He hesitated saying Parks and
Wildlife would "probably end up with egg on our face".  A magistrate later
told me she'd have thrown the case out.

By the same token there is a law against not clearing Gamba grass from one's
property.   Not one person has been prosecuted.  Makes one wonder doesn't
it!

Denise
Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
PO Box 71,  Darwin River,
NT 0841
043 8650 835






On 7/1/14 12:42 PM, "Tony Russell" <> wrote:

> I picked up a red tail feather from a RTBC on Kangaroo Island some years ago
> and was chastised roundly by a ranger. He advised it was a prosecutable
> offence, but didn't take the feather or have me charged. Paper tiger maybe ?
> 
> Tony.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of
> Philip Veerman
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 1:12 PM
> To: 'Allan Richardson'; 'John Harris'
> Cc: 'Birding-Aus'
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Shy Albatross x 2 on offer
> 
> Presumably in most cases "disposed of correctly" is to leave it just to
> nature, given legalistic concerns about collecting without a permit. But if
> the specimen is of some value, then I don't agree. How difficult is it to
> get a permit? I have had such a permit for nearly 30 years. Whilst John's
> advice is technically correct, it would be a rare case of a prosecution from
> something like collecting a skeleton. Fauna protection enforcement
> bureaucracies surely have higher priorities than this. I ask has anyone ever
> heard of such an agency prosecuting someone who legitimately takes an
> already dead specimen of fauna to donate to a museum or similar (and what
> was the result). Some specimens found dead provide important material to
> document vagrant records or simply provide an increase in sample size of
> data or range of specimens so that museum staff don't need to go collecting
> as much. Collecting specimens like this can provide material that is useful
> to study anatomy, is useful as reference material for artwork (getting
> proportions right, collecting representative feathers etc) as well as other
> reasons such as assessing cause of death. Or it can just promote an interest
> in biology.
> 
> Philip
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of
> Allan Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 12:17 PM
> To: John Harris
> Cc: Birding-Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Shy Albatross x 2 on offer
> 
> 
> Hi Barbara,
> 
> John is correct, so be very careful how you proceed with the possession of
> these birds or taking any birds into your possession in the future.
> 
> However I think you've done the right thing in alerting a forum that has
> members with the sort of qualifications that John mentions and data from
> deceased individuals can give valuable information about bird movements in
> some cases. 
> 
> Shy albatross records and measurements in particular, due to recent
> taxonomic changes, could be of great interest to the seabird scientific
> fraternity at the moment.
> 
> You might contact SOSSA directly perhaps (internet will give contact
> details) or the Australian Museum to find out how these birds might be
> documented and disposed of correctly.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Allan Richardson
> Morisset NSW
> 
> 
> On 06/01/2014, at 3:59 PM, John Harris wrote:
> 
>> Beware,
>> they are protected and having them in your possession without the
>> appropriate permits to collect and or keep, could lead to fines!!
>> 
>> *Yours in all things* "*GREEN"*
>> 
>> *John Harris*
>> *Croydon, Vic*
>> * Director - Wildlife Experiences Pty LtdPrincipal
>> Ecologist/Zoologist* *Nature Photographer* *Wildlife Guide*
>>  <>*
>> *0409090955*
>> 
>> *President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria* *(www.fncv.org.au
>> <http://www.fncv.org.au/>)*
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 January 2014 15:56, Barbara Jones <>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there anyone wanting Shy Albatross x 2 for skeletons?
>>> 
>>> One found yesterday on Middle Beach, Mimosa Rocks NP (Far South Coast
>>> NSW) and dragged up beyond high tide and another on Aragunnu, a tad
>>> further north still there from before Christmas.
>>> 
>>> Directions available for anyone interested.
>>> 
>>> Barbara Jones _______________________________________________
> 
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