I was only referring to the Lorikeet John, not the entire list, cheers Jeff.
From: John Graff
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013 12:43 AM
To: Jeff Davies
Cc: Birding-Aus
Subject: Coconut Lorikeet
The BirdLife list doesn't follow IOC, unless I'm missing something? E.g.
Nullabor and Western Quail-thrush not split, Shy & White-capped Alb are
split, Little Bittern dubius not split etc.
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> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 00:18:21 +1000
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Coconut Lorikeet
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> Both IOC and the recently released Birdlife Australia checklist list which
> just follows IOC, list a number of ssp for mainland Australia(
moluccanus).
> This isn't based on recent research, they are just repeating all of the
old
> positions from as far back to Matthews without giving it any real thought.
> They should have followed HANZAB, and this is yet another example of why
the
> BARC checklist should eventually cover subspecies to keep the others
honest.
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> Cheers Jeff.
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> From: Nikolas Haass
> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 10:56 PM
> To: Jeff Davies; 'Tony Russell'; 'Kevin and Lizzie'; 'Frank O'Connor'
> Cc: 'Birding-Aus'
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Coconut Lorikeet
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> Forshaw, J. M. & Cooper, W. T. 1989. Parrots of the world. Blandford
Press,
> London.
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> Nikolas Haass
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> From: Jeff Davies <>
> To: 'Tony Russell' <>; 'Kevin and Lizzie'
> <>; 'Frank O'Connor' <>
> Cc: 'Birding-Aus' <>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Coconut Lorikeet
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> Have just read the account in HANZAB and it did not recognize ssp
> septentrionalis, Frank has made an honest mistake there.
> HANZAB followed Forshore and Cooper(1989) and only recognized two forms
from
> mainland Australia Rainbow(moluccanus) and Red-collared(rubritorquis).
> It goes on to suggest that the birds from n. Torres Strait are possibly
ssp
> caeruleiceps, this occurs directly onshore the mainland of NG, a plausible
> assumption I would suggest. Observations of Lorikeets on the Islands from
> recent birding trips have confirmed unsurprisingly that they are indeed
> Coconut Lorikeet.
>
> Cheers Jeff Davies
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Jeff Davies
> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 10:14 PM
> To: 'Tony Russell'; 'Kevin and Lizzie'; 'Frank O'Connor'
> Cc: 'Birding-Aus'
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Coconut Lorikeet
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> Boigu and Saibai are geographically SC New Guinea, and birds seen there
have
> been identified as Coconut Lorikeets, where's the muddle.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Tony Russell
> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 4:34 PM
> To: 'Kevin and Lizzie'; 'Frank O'Connor'
> Cc: 'Birding-Aus'
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Coconut Lorikeet
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> This is a muddle !! Would someone please make a clear definitive statement
> about this(these) species and subs. Thank you. Or is it that nobody really
> knows ?
>
> Tony.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Kevin and
> Lizzie
> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 2:25 PM
> To: Frank O'Connor
> Cc: Birding-Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Coconut Lorikeet
>
> Frank
>
> The master spreadsheet
> http://www.worldbirdnames.org/master_ioc_list_v3.4.xls at the IOC World
Bird
> Names website has a full breakdown of the species and subspecies in this
> taxonomy with a brief description of range.
>
> HBW has 20 subspecies of Rainbow Lorikeet, while the IOC appears to have
22
> subspecies across 7 species. The only subspecies on the IOC spreadsheet
> with a reference to Cape York is a subspecies of the split Rainbow
Lorikeet,
> T. m. sepentrionalis. The range of T. h. caeruleiceps is described as sc
> New Guinea, and no races of Coconut Lorikeet are described as having a
range
> in Australia.
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> On 22 August 2013 13:39, Frank O'Connor <> wrote:
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> > I have further googled Coconut Lorikeet, and looked up the field guides.
> > I have just looked up HANZAB. This is of course a little dated now,
> > but it does state a separate sub species on northern Cape York and the
> > Torres Strait and nearby PNG. It is sub species T. h. caeruleiceps.
> >
> > It looks like the IOC has split Rainbow Lorikeet (formerly about 22
> > sub species), but kept the common name with the Australian species T.
> > mollucanus rather than the former nominate which is now called Coconut
> > Lorikeet. So it appears that Coconut Lorikeet in Australia is T. h.
> > caeruleiceps.
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