FW: Eremiornis carteri Or Not

To: "'colin trainor'" <>, "'Nikolas Haass'" <>, <>
Subject: FW: Eremiornis carteri Or Not
From: "Stephen Ambrose" <>
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:11:52 +1100
Sorry, that should be New Zealand Fernbird (Megalurus punctatus), NOT New
Zealand Fernwren.


-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 8:51 AM
To: 'colin trainor'; 
Subject: Eremiornis carteri Or Not

Thanks Colin and Nikolas for your feedback.  Alström et al. (2011) sampled
five loci and do indeed find that the Spinifexbird is very genetically
similar to Megalurus gramineus (The Little Grassbird) and Megalurus
punctatus (New Zealand Fernwren) and so have renamed it Megalurus carteri.


Kind regards,



Stephen Ambrose

Ryde NSW



From: colin trainor  
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2013 7:40 PM
To: ; 
Subject: Eremiornis carteri Or Not


Per Alstrom has a very organised website, with his pdfs:

This paper includes Spinifexbird in a genetic aalysis with other

Alström, P., Fregin, S., Norman, J.A., Ericson, P.G.P., Christidis, L. &
Olsson, U. 2011. Multilocus analysis of a taxonomically densely sampled
dataset reveal extensive non-monophyly in the avian family Locustellidae.
Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 58: 513?526.


The phylogeny of most of the species in the avian passerine family
Locustellidae is inferred using a Bayesian species tree approach (Bayesian
Estimation of Species Trees, BEST), as well as a traditional Bayesian gene
tree method (MrBayes), based on a dataset comprising one mitochondrial and
four nuclear loci. The trees inferred by the different methods agree fairly
well in topology, although in a few cases there are marked differences. Some
of these discrepancies might be due to convergence problems for BEST
(despite up to 1 × 109 iterations). The phylogeny strongly disagrees with
the current taxonomy at the generic level, and we propose a revised
classification that recognizes four instead of seven genera. These results
emphasize the well known but still often neglected problem of basing
classifications on non-cladistic evaluations of morphological characters. An
analysis of an extended mitochondrial dataset with multiple individuals from
most species, including many subspecies, suggest that several taxa presently
treated as subspecies or as monotypic species as well as a few taxa
recognized as separate species are in need of further taxonomic work.



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Eremiornis carteri Or Not


Nikolas Haass <>


Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:48 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Stephen,
All I can find is "TAX : Spinifexbird is a member of Megalurus
previously Megaluridae] (Christidis & Boles 2008; Alström et al 2011a)" on
IOC website
Nikolas Haass

Sydney, NSW



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