Can’t comment on Jeremy’s last assertion but I agree with the rest of this mail
from him.
Tony
From: On Behalf Of Jeremy O'Wheel
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 11:08 AM
To: Ed Williams
Cc: Tony Russel; Birding Aus; Denise Goodfellow; Chris Shaw
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Brown Songlarks and Fences
In response to Chris' original message, I think a lot of restriction of public
access to natural environments is actually good. The public, even bushwalkers
and "nature lovers" have a significant impact on natural environments, even
when they're "doing the right thing," and I think managing that impact is very
important. No doubt there are times and places where the restrictions are
unnecessary, but I think there are also many instances where closing off public
access has a very positive outcome for maintaining a site (and thus, birds). I
would definitely oppose legislation giving everybody access to all public land
within the realms of safety, and I'd much rather have habitats healthily
managed and my access to the site restricted, than free public access at a
degrading site. Also to answer the question about whether Australia is the
most rigidly bureaucratic society in the world; no.
Cheers,
Jeremy
On 19 February 2013 11:14, Ed Williams <> wrote:
Yep - there are always a few and they can even alienate natural birding
allies...
I remember talking to the ranger at Round Hill a couple of years back who
thanked us for parking on the main road and walking up one of the tracks.
He told me about some other birders who had illegally set up camp in the "Wheat
Field" there.
When they were asked to move on, the birder in question picked up his bins to
look at something flying past rather than even acknowledging that the ranger
was speaking to him...
Ah well....
Ed
Ed Williams
On 19/02/2013, at 10:35 AM, "Tony Russel" <> wrote:
> I agree with Denise on this. It's the behaviour of a few frantic and
> irresponsible birders that has caused many of the otherwise good birding
> locations to be closed off. I don't blame the landowners or the govt., I'd
> close my land too if there were too many thoughtless intruders - and I've
> had some too, just wandering through without so much as a by-your-leave.
> Birders, bushwalkers, shooters - and they don't even apologise when
> apprehended.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Denise
> Goodfellow
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 8:08 AM
> To: Chris Shaw; Birding Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Brown Songlarks and Fences
>
> Hi Chris
> That's what's happened at sewage ponds in Palmerston and Darwin, and after
> nearly thirty years of going there (and I was largely responsible for the
> Leanyer Ponds making birders welcome in the first place) it's no longer
> tenable for me to take international birders there.
>
> A major reason according to my contacts in management was the behaviour of a
> few birders who broke the rules. That's why birders searching for Red
> Goshawk at Mataranka are not particularly welcome any more.
>
> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
> 1/7 Songlark Street,
> Bakewell, NT 0832
> 043 8650 835
>
> P
>
>
> On 18/2/13 9:16 PM, "Chris Shaw" <> wrote:
>
>> One of the biggest annoyances to a bird watcher is the number of
>> barriers put up to keep them away; whether it's closing off tracks,
>> national parks, water treatment plants, salt works or whatever. I
>> think it's a national pastime in Australia telling other people what
>> to do and what to thinkŠ what do you think? When I go bird watching in
>> Norway and Scotland in particular they have laws allowing access to
>> the public to all land other than what is not in the public safety.
>> And many other places in the world seem to be the same. I'm wondering
>> whether we are the most rigidly bureaucratic society in the world; and
>> one that wishes more than is normal to enforce our own opinions and values
> on others?
>>
>> Anyway all this muttering is because I took some photos of a Brown
>> Songlark sitting on a fence around an airportŠ justifiable fence I
>> might addŠ but birds have a great freedom to go where they pleaseŠ not us
> it seems.
>>
>> Anyway the Brown Songlarks are on my blog.
>>
>> Chris Shaw
>>
>> Mobile 0409 675912
>>
>> My blog - "Top Birds and Everyfing" can be found on the following link
>>
>> http://topbirdsandeveryfing.typepad.com/top-birds-everyfing/
>>
>> ³Failure defeats losers, failure inspires winners.² Robert T.
>> Kiyosaki
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