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White-winged Black Tern's name

To: "" <>, 'Ed Williams' <>, 'Philip Veerman' <>
Subject: White-winged Black Tern's name
From: Nikolas Haass <>
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 00:18:13 -0800 (PST)
Hi Paul,

Just a minor point: Clements nowadays (6.7) calls it White-winged Tern, too.

Cheers,

Nikolas
 
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Nikolas Haass

Sydney, NSW


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From: Paul Dodd <>
To: 'Nikolas Haass' <>; 'Ed Williams' 
<>; 'Philip Veerman' <> 
Cc: 'Birding Aus' <> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 6:42 PM
Subject: White-winged Black Tern's name
 
Further to this, Christidis and Boles refers to the species as White-winged
Black Tern, both IOC 3.2 and IOC 3.3 refer to it as White-winged Tern.
Clements refers to it as White-winged Black Tern. Morcombe lists it as
White-winged Black Tern, as does Pizzey and Knight. In fact, I can find no
reference to "White-winged Black-tern" so I would tend to agree with Nikolas
that "Black Tern" is intended to be descriptive, rather than a proper noun
for a group.

Paul Dodd
Docklands, Victoria


-----Original Message-----
From: 
 On Behalf Of Nikolas Haass
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2013 6:08 PM
To: Ed Williams; Philip Veerman
Cc: Birding Aus
Subject: White-winged Black Tern's name

Hi Chris (x2), John, Philip & Ed,

I agree with John & Chris that the birds look like 1st winter White-winged
Terns.

And yes, Ed is right, both IOC and Clements call them White-winged Tern. 

However, the old name was White-winged Black Tern (no hyphen), which is
likely a more descriptive name and not a classifier for a group (Chlidonias
doesn't stand for 'Black-Tern'; it rather stands for 'Marsh-Tern'). This is
in contrast to the hyphenated birds that Philip mentioned, which all
classified a group: Black-Cockatoo is used only
for Calyptorhynchus, Bronze-Cuckoo stands for Australian Chrysococcyx (with
Black-eared Cuckoo being the exception), Reed-Warbler describes a number
of Acrocephalus.

Nikolas
 
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Nikolas Haass

Sydney, NSW


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From: Ed Williams <>
To: Philip Veerman <>
Cc: Birding Aus <>
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: White-winged Black Tern's name

Hi Phillip,

Technically now isn't it White-winged Tern to be in line with IOC naming?

Thus making the second hyphen no longer required. 

Cheers,

Ed



Ed Williams

On 06/02/2013, at 3:55 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:

> Maybe I have missed something here. Why is there no hyphen as in 
> White-winged Black-Tern, rather than White-winged Black Tern? There is 
> a hyphen on other composite group names e.g. Yellow-tailed 
> Black-Cockatoo, Bronze-Cuckoos, Reed-Warbler, etc.
> Philip
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