ID Help - Timeless question: C. Sparrowhawk or B.Goshawk

To: Harry Nyström <>, <>
Subject: ID Help - Timeless question: C. Sparrowhawk or B.Goshawk
From: "Greg and Val Clancy" <>
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:07:00 +1100
The longer central tail feather in photo 1 suggests Brown Goshawk and this is also just visible in photos 2 and 3. I wouldn't bet a sheep station on it but I am favouring Brown Goshawk. I would be keen to see what others (?Stephen Debus) say. The wings do look broad like a Sparrowhawk's but the Goshawk's wings are also rather broad.

Dr Greg. P. Clancy
Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
0266493153 0429601960

-----Original Message----- From: Harry Nyström
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:40 PM
Subject: ID Help - Timeless question: C. Sparrowhawk or B.Goshawk

Hello from Finland,

I casually photographed this bird on August 25th, 2012, in Sydney. The bird
was then soaring high above Centennial Park and our initial thoughts were:
a Collared Sparrowhawk. I think we never took a very long look at the bird,
as we didn't have a scope, but our instinctive ID was based on the jizz.

As my personal experience ranges only to European Accipiter species, I do
know the difference in the jizz between the local Sparrowhawk and Goshawk.
But when it comes to the Australian species, I think that the jizz might be
a little different? But is it?

In the photos, the bird seems to be a bit more stocky than to what I am
used to in Sparrowhawks, but on the other hand, I remember that the flight
seemed more Sparrowhawk-ish. And is that hooded "look" usual to the species
(whichever it is)?

Could some of you verify that this was indeed a Collared Sparrowhawk or
that we were wrong and it is a Brown Goshawk instead?

Best three of the photos that were taken of the bird (they're a bit small,
as the bird was very high):

By the way, we positively identified a couple of Collared Sparrowhawks
during our trip, but I am still missing the Brown Goshawk -tick altogether.



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