Hi Martin, Mark et al.
As I stated in an earlier e-mail, looking at the last picture alone I would say
Little Grassbird (and agree with Martin). In one of the earlier pictures there
is also some streaking on the lower flanks and on the crown (as also seen in
the last picture), which would speak against Tawny Grassbird. Also, as Chris
and others suggested, the bill speaks against Tawny Grassbird, too. Mark told
me that he did not see the bird sing and that the song he heard and described
may have been sung by another bird. This means that we can't use the song to
rule out Little Grassbird.
Cheers,
Nikolas
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Nikolas Haass
Sydney, NSW
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From: martin cachard <>
To: greg clancy <>; ;
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Cc: birding-aus threads <>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: Brown SongLark now a Grassbird
Hello all again,
This second image that Mark has posted almost looks a different individual - it
does appear more like a Little Grassbird just on this second image, however the
first image I have no doubt whatsoever is of a Tawny.
I'm thinking that if the images are definitely of the same individual, then I'm
still confident it is a Tawny - the first shot is in my opinion NOT a Little,
while the second shot could well be of a young Tawny, some often not having a
fully-grown tail.
I just can't accept that first image being of a Little. If I'm wrong then so be
it, but I've never seen a Little like that first image...
Cheers,
Martin Cachard
Cairns
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> To: ;
> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:50:40 +1100
> CC:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Brown SongLark now a Grassbird
>
> Mark,
>
> Your bird matches the painting in HANZAB Volume 7 Part B opposite page 1720
> of a juvenile Little Grassbird, including the pale edging to the
> secondaries/tertials and the lack of marking on the throat. I have photos
> of adult and juvenile Tawny Grassbirds that I could send you off list. They
> have longer tails and are more rufous in the plumage. The calls are a good
> way to distinguish them as well as the Little Grassbird has a mournful
> two-note plaintive song and the Tawny has a much more excited and rich
> display flight and bomb-dropping song as well as 'chuck chuck ' type contact
> calls.
>
> Greg
> Dr Greg. P. Clancy
> Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
> PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
> 0266493153 0429601960
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Young
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:11 PM
> To: Nikolas Haass
> Cc: Birding Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Brown SongLark now a Grassbird
>
> Hi Nikolas,
>
> I use the terms of calls and song interchangeably. That's very poor of
> myself I know. But what I heard would be better described as a song. Now
> that I think about it, I didn't see this bird make any noise, but I
> assumed the noise/song I heard came from this bird as I could see no other
> bird nearby.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 16, 2012, Nikolas Haass wrote:
>
> > Looking at the last picture alone I would say Little Grassbird. In one of
> > your earlier pictures there is also some streaking on the lower flanks.
> > You
> > are saying call but what you are describing seems to be rather the song
> > and
> > not a call? Can you describe that a bit more detailed?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Nikolas
> >
> > ----------------
> > Nikolas Haass
> > <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', ;>
> > Sydney, NSW
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Mark and Amanda Young
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> > >
> > *To:* 'Birding Aus' < <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> > *Sent:* Saturday, December 15, 2012 8:20 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Birding-Aus] Brown SongLark now a Grassbird
> >
> > G'day everyone,
> >
> > Thanks to all those people who've replied about this bird. Most people
> > have
> > said it's a Tawny Grassbird, but a few think it might be a Little
> > Grassbird.
> >
> > There are a still points about this bird that have me confused. The white
> > fringing on the tertials(?), the slight dark streaking to the crown, (as
> > evident in the second image) and the dark line running through the eye
> > seem
> > to suggest Little Grassbird.
> > But the lack of streaking on the breast leads it towards a Tawny
> > Grassbird.
> > Is it possible this might be a young bird, or a hybrid of the 2?
> >
> > When I saw this bird it was at the bottom of a small gully feeding in
> > between some grasses. Not the sort of habitat I've seen Little Grassbirds
> > in
> > when I've seen them (which is no more than 10 times all up).
> > What attracted me to it was it's call. I was looking in that area for
> > Pipit's which are usually around there, when I heard the bird. I remember
> > it
> > having an attractive call with multiple notes. Sorry about the vagueness
> > on
> > that point, but I don't remember anymore about it's call.
> >
> > Here's a link to another image showing the crown and back. I don't have a
> > better photo of the breast that I could post.
> > Link: http://bit.ly/ZtuImt
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark and Amanda Young
> > <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> >
> > Sent: Friday, 14 December 2012 7:13 PM
> > To: 'Birding Aus'
> > Subject: RE: Brown Songlark
> >
> > G'aday everyone,
> >
> > I saw this small bird this morning at Long Reef Golf Course this morning.
> > I
> > wasn't too sure what it was when I saw it in the field. I thought it might
> > have been some unusual grassbird, but that didn't seem quite right. The
> > underside and head reminded a bit of a Reed-warbler, but those upper
> > feathers didn't seem right either for it to be a Reed-warbler.
> >
> > Now that I've gotten home and had a chance to look it up in Morcombe's, it
> > looks very similar to a female Brown Songlark. But I've only ever seen a
> > male Brown Songlark, and that was a few years ago, so I'm would love to
> > get
> > the opinion of others as to what they think this bird might be.
> >
> > Link: http://bit.ly/TRM4D1
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
> >
> >
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