What bird #2

To: Philip Veerman <>
Subject: What bird #2
From: "Valentine, Peter" <>
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 03:55:26 +0000
Hi Philip,
              Yes, your interpretation is correct that I was referring to the 
northern Queensland form of the Little Shrike-thrush. You might appreciate that 
Victorians may not be familiar with this rufous form and therefore might be 
more likely to look for an alternative species when they see the rufous form 
(hence the prospect of it being a Bower's Shrike-thrush is explored). To locals 
in northern Queensland that is not an issue. You of course correctly identify 
the other features of the bird that exclude Bower's Shrike-thrush.

Having said that the geography is pretty clear Philip - the Wet Tropics is 1000 
km south of Cape York. Bower's Shrike-thrush does not get even close to Cape 
York. The nearest rainforest to Cape York is the Lockerbie scrub, but even much 
further south, Bower's Shrike-thrush is absent from the rainforests of Iron 
Range and Macillwraith Range and Cape Melville (probably the most southern area 
of rainforest that might be labelled part of Cape York Peninsula). 
Unfortunately most people do not use the location "Cape York" correctly and 
usually use that name when they actually mean Cape York Peninsula, as I suspect 
was the case for the original image (but happy to be corrected). The northern 
extent of the wet tropics (for example Windsor Tableland or Bloomfield area) 
would not normally be referred to as part of Cape York Peninsula. It might be a 
moot point where Cape York Peninsula might be said to begin but generally the 
term does not overlap in common use with the Wet Tropics Regi
 on. There are many such endemics that are present in the Wet Tropics but 
absent from Cape York Peninsula rainforests, which in character and 
biodiversity more closely resemble New Guinea than the Gondwanan nature of the 
Wet Tropics. But of course there is some overlap.

Peter Valentine

From: Philip Veerman 
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:04 PM
To: Valentine, Peter
Subject: What bird #2

Hello Peter,

I'm not disputing as it appears to have a whitish face, not coloured face
and doesn't appear to have a stripy front and on size I think you are right.
Can I clarify? I'm assuming by "The northern Queensland form", you are
referring to The northern Queensland form of Little Shrike-thrush. My
looking at a book shows Bower's Shrike-thrush is as much or more rufous.
Then you write "Bower's Shrike-thrush is confined to upland rainforest in
the Wet Tropics." The original post says the bird was on Cape York. Is Cape
York not "upland rainforest in the Wet Tropics?" Sorry I don't follow that.


-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of Valentine,
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 7:56 AM
To: Jude Latt
Cc: <>; <>
Subject: What bird #2

Hi Jude,
                There is no doubt it is a Little Shrike-thrush. The northern
Queensland form is distinctly rufous as the image clearly shows (it's former
name was Rufous Shrike-thrush).  As other posts also indicate, Bower's
Shrike-thrush is confined to upland rainforest in the Wet Tropics.

best wishes,

Peter Valentine

On 01/11/2012, at 5:31 AM, Jude Latt <>

> I see there were two posts for Bower's Shrike-thrush and two for
> Little Shrike-thrush. Still wondering which thrush won ?
> Jude
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve <>
> To: birding-aus <>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:24 am
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] What bird #2
> Hi,
> I was filming a pair of Shining Flycatchers up on Cape York, and this
> other
> plain brown bird was just hanging around, now is it a juvenile or
something else
> ?
> I didn't see any feeding and then they all flew off.
> Regards
> Steve Sheers


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