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Minister for Environment, Robyn Parker
O'Farrell or call his office on (02) 9228 5239.
Joshua Bergmark
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> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:23:00 +1300
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Hunting in NPs
>
> While I haven't followed this thread it is worth noting that Parks Victoria
> gave Nhill Sporting Shooters an award in 2007 for their work with feral goat
> control in the Big Desert Wilderness.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nikolas Haass
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:30 PM
> To: Wes Tolhurst ;
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Hunting in NPs
>
> Dear Wes,
>
> Despite all the clarifying e-mails by others you keep incorrectly mixing up
> two issues (1) ferals and (2) recreational hunters.
> (1) Everyone agrees that ferals (many of which were introduced FOR the
> recreational hunters!) need to be eradicated and that this needs to be done
> professionally.
>
> (2) You said that most recreational hunters "have an environmental
> conscience and know the animals of the bush far better than most city
> greenies". I am not so sure about that. Do you have a statistical proof for
> such statements? With the same amount of scientific proof I could say that
> most recreational hunters cannot tell a Brush-tailed Rock-Wallaby - and even
> less so a Common Wombat - from a Pig.What is 'environmental conscience'? I
> know people who love 'nature' but they are talking of golf courses, farm
> fields, pine tree monocultures, gardens with exotic plants...!
>
> There is need for clear definitions and facts.My point here is that we have
> to be professional! You can't argue the way you do.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nikolas
>
>
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> Nikolas Haass
>
> Sydney, NSW
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wes Tolhurst <>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:12 PM
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Hunting in NPs
>
>
> Dear Storm and Others,
>
> I wonder whether a pig can tell the difference between a mallard or a swan
> or a freckled duck. One of the reasons I picked up a compound bow and
> started hunting on my birding trips was because I would see things like pigs
> feeding on semi-fledged brolgas and not be able to do a single thing about
> it. The hunters (and I exclude those that hunt native Australian birds like
> the knuckle headed duck shooters from this bracket) I know are nearly all
> rec hunters. And all of the ones I am friends with have an environmental
> conscience and know the animals of the bush far better than most city
> greenies I know (and yes I know heaps of them too).
>
> I think it is pure trickery to cite one or two examples of people that have
> done the wrong thing paint hunters across the board as being tarred with the
> same brush. That's infantile logic. Perhaps we should claim that the ref
> in the latest State of Origin did a less than par job therefore all refs are
> gooses! I'm sorry, I digress :)
>
> And though not every hunter hunts for feral eradication, I am one hunter
> would be be ecstatic if every feral was gone and I had to sell my bow. I
> know there are some that do the wrong thing but I believe this is a very
> very small percetage - given the many that I interact with.
>
> I am not so naive to think that the political manoeuvring doesn't seem a bit
> suss. But I know that every time I take out a feral, it means that there
> are going to be many more natives have a fairer go. And I believe that does
> make a difference. I choose to use a bow because it has the smallest
> environmental impact... they are silent, have a short effective range (50
> metres) and very effective.
>
> If pro shooting was being so effective, then we would have no ferals - the
> truth is that there are more now than there ever have been. And we are all
> responsible for that. Let's do all we can to give our natives a chance.
>
> Eric, you said "Why would they want access to national parks when pest
> species are already widespread across vast public areas of the state?" The
> only places hunters can legally hunt ferals atm is on private land or with
> special permission (the same system being suggested for NP) in some state
> forests. Contrary to your comment, National Parks are actually public
> areas. They were set up for the public's enjoyment of natural wonders. It
> is very difficult for most guys in NSW to find somewhere to hunt because
> they are mostly restricted to private land. Contrary to what many believe,
> in the State Forests, to get access you need to do a thorough training
> course to receive an R License, then apply to hunt a specific place at a
> specific time, a specific way. e.g. Some forests or bow only. You need to
> demonstrate exactly where the hunt is (away from any areas that may hold
> general public etc). After all that, you need to report feral activity
> encountered.
>
> Bob, I have before read the quote that Ground shooting of pigs is not
> effective in reducing the pig populations etc. It was a government
> organisation that made that claim so we can read "it was not cost effective
> in reducing..." They only have limited funds for feral erradication.
> Usually they concentrate on baiting (now there is a truely inhuman practice)
> or aerial shooting - very effective but very expensive.
>
> All that is required for evil (feral animals) to prosper is for good men to
> do nothing.
>
> Are some of you trying to tell me that if you had an endangered nesting bird
> on your own property and knew that a fox was stalking it you wouldn't do
> whatever you were legally entitled to do to protect the birds? Of course
> you would. Same principal in my opinion.
>
> I think we're all on the same team really. Just different perspectives.
>
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