Hunting by itself won't remove ferals from National Parks (if hunting on
its own worked to exterminate animals there would be no large mammals left
anywhere in the world).
To remove ferals you need a coordinated strategy involving baiting,
trapping and shooting (and possibly other methods), the proportions of each
depending on the area and the target feral. My worry is that after letting
recreational shooters into NPs it will be impossible to get funds for
proper feral control because the Minister will say 'Haven't you
got the shooters helping you?'.
John Leonard
On 31 May 2012 16:30, Nikolas Haass <> wrote:
> Dear Wes,
>
> Despite all the clarifying e-mails by others you keep incorrectly mixing
> up two issues (1) ferals and (2) recreational hunters.
> (1) Everyone agrees that ferals (many of which were introduced FOR the
> recreational hunters!) need to be eradicated and that this needs to be done
> professionally.
>
> (2) You said that most recreational hunters "have an environmental
> conscience and know the animals of the bush far better than most city
> greenies". I am not so sure about that. Do you have a statistical proof for
> such statements? With the same amount of scientific proof I could say that
> most recreational hunters cannot tell a Brush-tailed Rock-Wallaby - and
> even less so a Common Wombat - from a Pig.What is 'environmental
> conscience'? I know people who love 'nature' but they are talking of golf
> courses, farm fields, pine tree monocultures, gardens with exotic plants...!
>
> There is need for clear definitions and facts.My point here is that we
> have to be professional! You can't argue the way you do.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nikolas
>
>
> ----------------
> Nikolas Haass
>
> Sydney, NSW
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wes Tolhurst <>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:12 PM
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Hunting in NPs
>
>
> Dear Storm and Others,
>
> I wonder whether a pig can tell the difference between a mallard or a swan
> or a freckled duck. One of the reasons I picked up a compound bow and
> started hunting on my birding trips was because I would see things like
> pigs feeding on semi-fledged brolgas and not be able to do a single thing
> about it. The hunters (and I exclude those that hunt native Australian
> birds like the knuckle headed duck shooters from this bracket) I know are
> nearly all rec hunters. And all of the ones I am friends with have an
> environmental conscience and know the animals of the bush far better than
> most city greenies I know (and yes I know heaps of them too).
>
> I think it is pure trickery to cite one or two examples of people that
> have done the wrong thing paint hunters across the board as being tarred
> with the same brush. That's infantile logic. Perhaps we should claim that
> the ref in the latest State of Origin did a less than par job therefore all
> refs are gooses! I'm sorry, I digress :)
>
> And though not every hunter hunts for feral eradication, I am one hunter
> would be be ecstatic if every feral was gone and I had to sell my bow. I
> know there are some that do the wrong thing but I believe this is a very
> very small percetage - given the many that I interact with.
>
> I am not so naive to think that the political manoeuvring doesn't seem a
> bit suss. But I know that every time I take out a feral, it means that
> there are going to be many more natives have a fairer go. And I believe
> that does make a difference. I choose to use a bow because it has the
> smallest environmental impact... they are silent, have a short effective
> range (50 metres) and very effective.
>
> If pro shooting was being so effective, then we would have no ferals - the
> truth is that there are more now than there ever have been. And we are all
> responsible for that. Let's do all we can to give our natives a chance.
>
> Eric, you said "Why would they want access to national parks when pest
> species are already widespread across vast public areas of the state?" The
> only places hunters can legally hunt ferals atm is on private land or with
> special permission (the same system being suggested for NP) in some state
> forests. Contrary to your comment, National Parks are actually public
> areas. They were set up for the public's enjoyment of natural wonders. It
> is very difficult for most guys in NSW to find somewhere to hunt because
> they are mostly restricted to private land. Contrary to what many believe,
> in the State Forests, to get access you need to do a thorough training
> course to receive an R License, then apply to hunt a specific place at a
> specific time, a specific way. e.g. Some forests or bow only. You need
> to demonstrate exactly where the hunt is (away from any areas that may hold
> general public etc). After all that, you need to report feral activity
> encountered.
>
> Bob, I have before read the quote that Ground shooting of pigs is not
> effective in reducing the pig populations etc. It was a government
> organisation that made that claim so we can read "it was not cost effective
> in reducing..." They only have limited funds for feral erradication.
> Usually they concentrate on baiting (now there is a truely inhuman
> practice) or aerial shooting - very effective but very expensive.
>
> All that is required for evil (feral animals) to prosper is for good men
> to do nothing.
>
> Are some of you trying to tell me that if you had an endangered nesting
> bird on your own property and knew that a fox was stalking it you wouldn't
> do whatever you were legally entitled to do to protect the birds? Of
> course you would. Same principal in my opinion.
>
> I think we're all on the same team really. Just different perspectives.
>
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