Hello Sean,
Are there any links to the scientific methods and assumptions used to reach
that number? I would really want to have a look at them...
Cheers,
D.
> From:
> To: ; ;
> CC:
> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Duck shooting season- There'san identification
> test?
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 08:42:42 +1100
>
> Peter, is there an equivalent ID test for quail shooters?
>
> I was surprised to learn last year that there is still a (Stubble) Quail
> season in Victoria. And I was stunned to read a Victorian government report
> which said that in the last quail shooting season they estimate that 678,000
> quail were killed. I wouldn't have believed there were this many quail in
> the entire state but the report claims fairly rigorous methods based on
> surveys of what hunters have said they shot. (And extrapolated out, taking
> into account all the licence holders who said they didn't go shooting.)
>
> What concerns me most, is how the hell do these quail shooters identify
> their prey? I know even after thirty years' birding I struggle to identify a
> quail as it whirrs up from below my feet. In that split second that a bird
> bursts from cover I still regularly momentarily mistake a pipit, skylark or
> songlark for a quail, let alone nailing an ID of which quail (button-quail
> or Plains Wanderer) it is.
>
> Is there any ID test for quail shooters, and if so, do they get the
> extraordinary luxury of 20 seconds to make their choice as we have learnt
> prospective duck hunters have in their ID tests? In my experience, most
> quail encounters are over in about 5 seconds or less.
>
> I wonder how many of the estimated 678,000 birds killed were actually
> Stubble Quail? How many Little Button-quail, Red-chested Button-quail or
> Plains Wanderer? We know that Plains Wanderer still exist near Melbourne as
> one was "brought in" by a hunting dog a couple of years ago. How many others
> got blasted that we never hear about, particularly as the majority of quail
> hunting takes place on private land, away fom prying eyes.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Peter Shute
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012 7:36 AM
> To: Peter Shute; 'Dave Torr'; 'Dimitris Bertzeletos'
> Cc: 'Birding Australia'
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Duck shooting season- There'san identification
> test?
>
> Part of the training DVD can be viewed here, at the bottom of the page:
> http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/game-hunting/game/australian-water-fowl
>
> Peter Shute
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > On Behalf Of Peter
> > Shute
> > Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012 7:24 AM
> > To: 'Dave Torr'; 'Dimitris Bertzeletos'
> > Cc: 'Birding Australia'
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Duck shooting season- There's an
> > identification test?
> >
> > When the test first came in, people I know who had been duck shooting
> > for years had to buy the training video in order to be good enough to
> > pass the test. I would imagine therefore that they're a lot better at
> > id in flight than they were before, which is a good thing.
> >
> > The video is called "Ducks in Sight". I've got a vague memory of
> > seeing it for sale at the BOCA shop, so I get the impression it's
> > useful for learning id.
> >
> > I don't think they're required to ever sit the test again, so just
> > like a drivers' licence, there's nothing stopping people who've
> > forgotten everything they learned from shooting/driving regardless.
> > But the tests do stop those who can't be bothered learning id from
> > ever getting a licence, so I imagine there are far less illegal
> > species shot by mistake than there were before.
> >
> > How many are shot anyway, I don't know. Those collected by volunteers
> > are probably a small percentage of the total, given how many shooters
> > use private wetlands. I'm guessing enforcement is the problem now, not
> > id skills.
> >
> > Peter Shute
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > On Behalf Of Dave
> > > Torr
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012 6:34 AM
> > > To: Dimitris Bertzeletos
> > > Cc: Birding Australia
> > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Duck shooting season- There's an
> > > identification test?
> > >
> > > Anyone who wants to drive a car has to pass a test, but the evidence
> > > is that it doesn't help some people drive safely. I assume the duck
> > > shooting test is likely to be even less of a success!
> > >
> > > On 7 February 2012 02:35, Dimitris Bertzeletos
> > > <
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > I've just learned that there's an identification test that
> > > waterfowlers
> > > > need to pass before they can shoot in the field. Anyone
> > > have any idea how
> > > > stringent this is? Evidence suggests not stringent enough...
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ===============================
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message:
> > > > unsubscribe
> > > > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
> > > > to:
> > > >
> > > > http://birding-aus.org
> > > > ===============================
> > > >
> > > ===============================
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message:
> > > unsubscribe
> > > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
> > > to:
> > >
> > > http://birding-aus.org
> > > ===============================
> > >
> > ===============================
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message:
> > unsubscribe
> > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
> > to:
> >
> > http://birding-aus.org
> > ===============================
> >
> ===============================
>
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
> send the message:
> unsubscribe
> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
> to:
>
> http://birding-aus.org
> ===============================
>
===============================
To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
send the message:
unsubscribe
(in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
to:
http://birding-aus.org
===============================
|
