Hi Gary,
I have not read the full paper and have never been involved in any
type of trapping, save for rabbits, so I can't really comment on it. I
posted the item for those in both the pro and anti trapping camps on B-
A. I do believe though, that those involved in trapping activities in
Australia have similar animal welfare standards to those that
scientist carrying out trapping mammals. Most, if not all, avian
species in Australia that would be subject to trapping programs would
have a protected status under various State and Commonwealth
Legislation, which running afoul of, can be expensive, if not
providing an unexpected holiday at the Government's expense. Believe
me, the damage done by trapping in Australia, is nothing compared to
what is going on in SE Asia. There the lucky bird end up in a cage.
I heartily agree with you on habitat destruction on the flyways but I
don't think that the problem is mainly in the poorer countries: unless
you call a country that has 1.9 trillion US dollars stuck under their
mattress for a rainy day, such as China has, poor And Korea is not
exactly doing too shabbily. Unless the rest of the world can persuade
these two countries to stop migratory species habitat destruction, I
can see the majority of these species near, if not fully extinct in
the wild by the end of this century, if not earlier.
Cheers.
Carl Clifford
On 04/08/2011, at 9:41 AM, Gary Wright wrote:
Hi Carl
I think the study reported does not give useful information in
relation to the problems of mist netting. The reason for this is that
the study consists of self reporting of banders, who have a self
interest in providing favourable information. This is why self
regulation does not work.
I believe that the rate of injury is probably low, but I am aware of
birds having died from being left in capture bags for too long in sun,
for example. Or related issue of mammals dying of cold in traps
overnight. Any trapping of the animal must put the animal at risk and
the benefit is often highly questionable.
For example in the case of cannon netting of waders, it is my
understanding that the flyways of waders are well known and habitat
destruction is the biggest threat. Protection of habitat should be
the priority and Australia hasn't even managed to protect its own
RAMSAR listed wetlands(Coorong) let alone other poorer countries
protecting theirs.
I believe we should look after habitats and not stress more birds by
netting.
Gary
On 4 August 2011 04:19, Ian May <> wrote:
g'Day all
Whilst the inevitable questions should be asked about the validity of
information supplied by bird_bandin organisations about injury and
death of birds caused by their own banding operations, it should be
recognised that the said report deals only with mist netting. (see http://www.birdwatch.co.uk/channel/newsitem.asp?c=11&cate=__10933
)
The minimal impacts of this relatively passive technique cannot be
compared to the highly destructive impacts caused by c_annon_netting
and the subsequent leg_fl_agging of our most vulnerable "small
migratory wader species" where, after being subjected to these hideous
research practices, most of the tagged birds almost certainly die on
their next migration
For example, have a look at the wader photos, especially the Great
Knot on the first page of this. http://
www.globalflywaynetwork.com.au/ Expand the photos, look at the
multiple fl_ags on both legs and ask yourself, could this impact on
its ability to feed, migrate and breed?
Urgently needed is an “independent" study into the destructive impacts
caused by c_annon_netting and leg_fl_agging especially addressing
small migratory waders (Great Knot and smaller) and multiple ta_gging
impacts.
Furthermore, an immediate three-year Australia moratorium
c_annon_netting and leg_fl_agging should be implemented. This would
provide the opportunity for all interested observers to participate
and evaluate the impacts that will either expose the damage being done
or put the matter to rest.
An immediate ban would enable independent field observers to seperate
surviving individuals from the presence of recently fl_agged birds and
avoid confusing results but to achieve this, it is imperative to
instigate a ban now, before any of this season returning migrants are
leg_fl_agged
Regards
Ian May
PO Box 110
St Helens, Tasmania. 7216
Mob: 0428337956
Carl Clifford wrote:
Dear B-A,
The interesting results of the first large scale study into mist
netting have recently been published. An over-view of the results and
a reference to the paper can be found at http://www.birdwatch.co.uk/channel/newsitem.asp?c=11&cate=__10933
Cheers,
Carl Clifford
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