I agree with Greg - if moderated correctly, shooting would be a huge help to
the environment - particularly if it helped eradicate goats/deer/camels/etc -
but I don't think anyone has the capacity to successfully make sure the rules
are stuck to by everyone.
My main concern with allowing shooting is the few irresponsible people who will
shoot excessively for fun, and not just feral animals. For example, I read a
duck shooting article the other day, (in fact I think it was on BA earlier this
week, where a whole variety of non-game birds had been shot, including a
Freckled Duck). Just my opinion :)
Joshua Bergmark
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:33:24 +1000
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Shooters
>
> Greg & Sandra
>
> I think the problem is that it's usually the most extreme ends of both ends
> of the spectrum that are the most vocal and control "the message".
>
> The shooters party gives the impression that the first target should be
> anyone interested in the environment. The mad greenies give the impression
> that shooters and fishers are a bigger problem than any other environmental
> threat.
>
> As usual, a more moderate approach from everyone would be good. Sandra -
> nice to see an email voicing the other side.
>
> Alistair
>
>
> On 14 April 2011 15:39, Greg Little <> wrote:
>
> > Sandra
> >
> > I am all for culling ferals in NP's and even for completely eradicating, by
> > shooting if necessary, ferals such as camels and deer, but the idea of
> > allowing club shooters access to NP's worries me.
> >
> > Why don't the shooters and fishers make efforts to engage with and
> > understand the conservation community and their reasons?
> >
> > Greg Little
> >
> >
> > Message-----
> > From:
> > On Behalf Of Graeme
> > Gallienne
> > Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 2:55 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Shooters
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems to me that a lot of birders know nothing about shooters. I do,
> > I'm
> > married to one - a very responsible one! Does the birding community know
> > anything about how the SSAA properties are run? All the properties I know
> > of in Queensland are run as NATURE REFUGES - all native wildlife is
> > protected and the SSAA is happy for birders to do surveys etc on these
> > properties. I know for example that Bundamba Lagoon at Ripley is on a SSAA
> > property and is a site that is monitored monthly by local bird clubs.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been to the SSAA property at Captain's Mountain (Milmerran) several
> > times in the past few years with "The Gold Coast Gun Club" of which my
> > husband is a member. I have access to the entire property in complete
> > safety, the only stipulation being that I stay away from the various ranges
> > - all of which are for target only shooting. In fact, if an animal such as
> > a Grey Kangaroo or a bird such as an emu (and yes once when I was there an
> > emu with 7 chicks walked onto the range) the entire shooting competition is
> > stopped until the animal walks off the range and is at a safe distance away
> > before the competition can resume. All competitions are supervised by a
> > Range Officer and the rules are adhered to with every "i" dotted and "t"
> > crossed to the letter of the law.
> >
> >
> >
> > The attitude of the club members to a "mad keen birder" in their presence
> > has slowly changed over the times I have attended. To start with I was
> > somewhat of a curiosity and the butt of some jokes about greenies but the
> > last time I went out there (and I took a friend from my Club) (March 2011)
> > a
> > lot of the shooters were even becoming interested in birds and what we were
> > seeing, especially the Glossy Black Cockatoos as these are a bird they've
> > heard about due to the GBC Conservancy efforts on the Gold Coast and GBC's
> > are also found on the Captains Mountain property. In May, members of our
> > birding club (BrisBOCA) have been invited out for the weekend, once more
> > with the Gold Coast Gun Club. The subject of duck shooting is bound to
> > arise but what better opportunity to change someone's viewpoint - there's
> > plenty of opportunity for shooting without ducks needing to be the target
> > and that's the message we need to get across - not one of banning
> > responsible shooting altogether.
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems to me that the birding community could do more to engage with
> > shooters and also possibly fishermen instead of being so negative. After
> > all, we are all people who enjoy the great outdoors. Education and
> > friendship wins a lot more battles than criticism and judgemental attitudes
> > based on prejudices. And, on the question of feral animal control - I own
> > a property and my husband and daughter have between them shot 16 feral pigs
> > and 3 feral dogs in the 11 years we have lived here - no native animals
> > have
> > been harmed, a lot of my property is being allowed to return to native
> > vegetation and my birdlist is at 156 species, some of which are on the
> > Vulnerable list. A shooter who also cares about wildlife lives here!
> >
> >
> >
> > Shooting in National Parks is an entirely different proposition and would
> > need the park to be "closed" for a certain period if feral animal control
> > was the aim. It would need to be strictly controlled and limited to
> > specially licensed shooters.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sandra Gallienne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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