Hi Laurie,
BA, BOCA, etc are incorporated associations, which makes them not-for-profit
organisations. Like all such 'assocs' they are owned by their members. There is
specific legislation in all states that separates 'assocs' from commercial
entities (businesses). Both organistations have a constitution setting out
their purpose and endorsed democratically by their members, that is made and
registered under relevant legislation (Victorian, in both cases I believe).
Elected office bearers are not remunerated. The 'assocs' can (and do) undertake
commercial activities to generate income, and they can (and do) employ people
for such purposes. They can even own business which return profits to them.
However, any surplus revenue goes back into the organisation or into charitable
activities. No revenue is distributed amongst the owners under any
circumstances. Both organisations use whatever surplus revenue they can
generate to further their constitutional goals, which
in these examples is bird conservation and research. Rotary, Lions Club,
Landcare, RACQ, children's cancer charities, etc. are incorporated and operate
in the same way.
I can't speak on the structure of Bird-O, except that it is not an incorporated
association, so I presume that it is a business of some sort.
Incidentally, Birding-Aus may rely on internet infrastructure supplied
free-of-charge by Yahoo. Yahoo is indeed a large business. However, Birding-Aus
is not a business and is part of Yahoo. I can't otherwise speak about its
organisational structure.
By the way, I made no claim that I don't use or visit commercial websites, or
that they have no value. I said I didn't care to use that option to view
information that was originally placed in the public domain. I have no problem
with commercial web sites. It's true to say I don't like the spruiking and
hyperbole associated with the modern commercial world, but its part of life.
--- On Sat, 22/1/11, Laurie Knight <> wrote:
From: Laurie Knight <>
Subject: Royal “set-to” in Royal Park
To: "David James" <>
Cc: "birding-aus" <>
Received: Saturday, 22 January, 2011, 6:37 PM
Just as a point of interest, how is the "commercial" nature of Bird-O any
different to the "commercial" nature of Wingspan?
Regards, Laurie.
On 21/01/2011, at 10:27 PM, David James wrote:
> That is fantastic. Unfortunately for me, I don't want to go to a commercial
> web space to view the photos.
> Did you cut Jen in on the advertising revenue, or is that not part of the
> love?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from [Chris Sanderson]
> [Permanent Link][Original]
>
>
>
>
> To:
> jenny spry <
> m("gmail.com","malurus.jenny");
> >
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Birding-Aus] Royal “set-to” in Royal Park
>
> From:
> Chris Sanderson <
> m("gmail.com","chris.sanderson");
> >
>
> Date:
> Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:04:07 +1000
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have put Jen's fantastic experience with the Grebes and Coots up on
> Bird-O:
> http://bird-o.com/2011/01/21/right-royal-%E2%80%9Cset-to%E2%80%9D-in-royal-park/
>
> Jen that photo is amazing!
>
> Regards,
> Chris Sanderson
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:46 PM, jenny spry
> <m("gmail.com","malurus.jenny");> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> With the first afternoon of sunshine in a while I drove to the storm water
>> basin in Royal Park, Melbourne, just near home. I had seen a family of
>> Australasian Grebe there and wanted some photos of their tiger-striped
>> chicks. The Grebe were still there and also a family of Coot, also just
>> itching to have their photos taken.
>>
>>
>>
>> The two families drifted around with their young, slowly coming closer
>> together, and I imagined the chance of a photo of both families
>> harmoniously
>> feeding young in the warm afternoon sun. Suddenly though, one of the coot
>> started screaming and paddling frantically backwards, spray going
>> everywhere. Huge fish I thought, or perhaps an enormous eel no, obviously,
>> a
>> crocodile someone had dropped down a local sewer (I've read about that
>> happening!).
>>
>>
>> What it actually was though was an irate adult Grebe that had felt its
>> chicks were threatened. It had dived and come up under the coot and it not
>> only attacked, but chased the panicked coot from under water for some 10
>> metres or more before surfacing and attacking again, from behind and above.
>> As a friend said when she saw the image; “that is one agro bird!”
>>
>>
>>
>> I will put the image on the BOCA site tonight but right now I need to go
>> back out in the sun with a cup of tea.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers all
>>
>>
>> Jen
>>
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> from [Chris Sanderson]
> [Permanent Link][Original]
>
>
>
>
> To:
> jenny spry <
> m("gmail.com","malurus.jenny");
> >
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Birding-Aus] Royal “set-to” in Royal Park
>
> From:
> Chris Sanderson <
> m("gmail.com","chris.sanderson");
> >
>
> Date:
> Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:04:07 +1000
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have put Jen's fantastic experience with the Grebes and Coots up on
> Bird-O:
> http://bird-o.com/2011/01/21/right-royal-%E2%80%9Cset-to%E2%80%9D-in-royal-park/
>
> Jen that photo is amazing!
>
> Regards,
> Chris Sanderson
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:46 PM, jenny spry
> <m("gmail.com","malurus.jenny");> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> With the first afternoon of sunshine in a while I drove to the storm water
>> basin in Royal Park, Melbourne, just near home. I had seen a family of
>> Australasian Grebe there and wanted some photos of their tiger-striped
>> chicks. The Grebe were still there and also a family of Coot, also just
>> itching to have their photos taken.
>>
>>
>>
>> The two families drifted around with their young, slowly coming closer
>> together, and I imagined the chance of a photo of both families
>> harmoniously
>> feeding young in the warm afternoon sun. Suddenly though, one of the coot
>> started screaming and paddling frantically backwards, spray going
>> everywhere. Huge fish I thought, or perhaps an enormous eel no, obviously,
>> a
>> crocodile someone had dropped down a local sewer (I've read about that
>> happening!).
>>
>>
>> What it actually was though was an irate adult Grebe that had felt its
>> chicks were threatened. It had dived and come up under the coot and it not
>> only attacked, but chased the panicked coot from under water for some 10
>> metres or more before surfacing and attacking again, from behind and above.
>> As a friend said when she saw the image; “that is one agro bird!”
>>
>>
>>
>> I will put the image on the BOCA site tonight but right now I need to go
>> back out in the sun with a cup of tea.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers all
>>
>>
>> Jen
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>> send the message:
>> unsubscribe
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>>
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