NSW Ostriches

To: Laurie Knight <>
Subject: NSW Ostriches
From: John Tongue <>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:16:50 +1000
G'day Laurie,
I've no doubt that's true, but regardless of how 'picky' BARC is, it is still 
up to the individual birder as to whether or not to add a tick to their own 

Some years ago, a pair of Common Mynahs was shot (thankfully), nesting at 
Mersey Bluff in Devonport.  By the way, I did not tick them because I did not 
see them until they were mounted next to the fox in the Tasmanian Museum.  Now, 
one would 'suspect' that these birds arrived, "ship-assisted" by the Spirit of 
Tasmania Ferries - but DID they?  Could they have been ticked by us if we'd 
seen them alive?  Subjective call!

We have personally ticked Olive-backed Oriole at Wynyard in Northwest Tassie, 
even though it, too, would seem an unlikely candidate for unassisted flight 
across Bass Straight .... but who knows.  Though it was a positive ID 
(sufficient to satisfy ourselves), we did not submit a sighting to BARCa, for 
two reasons: i) because it would not have fulfilled all their "picky" criteria, 
and ii) BARC is concerned with assessing sightings of vagrants to Australia, 
and is not interested in mainland species vagrant to Tasmania.

BUT, we were satisfied with it as a tick for our Tasmanian list.

I suspect many sightings which have been submitted to - but not accepted by - 
BARC are still ticked on the lists of the particular birders making the 

The point of all this? .......

The final contents of an individual birders list is up to the judgement call of 
the individual birder.  There isn't really anything "wrong" with this, as long 
as everyone recognises it.  And in the end it doesn't matter, ......unless 
people are wanting to say that one person's list is better or worse than 
another, AT WHICH POINT they they just need to be sure they are following 
EXACTLY the same 'rules'.

Still happy to see whatever birds I can!  ;)

Cheers, and happy birding,
John Tongue
Ulverstone, Tas.

On 27/10/2010, at 10:14 PM, Laurie Knight wrote:

> I suspect that BARC are a bit picky about the birds they tick ;)
> On 27/10/2010, at 11:09 PM, John Tongue wrote:
>> Hi Chris, et. al.
>> I suspect in the end, we all have to make our own decisions about what we 
>> will and won't accept as a "tick".  It's all very subjective.
>> Chris write, "....vagrants are treated differently only if they got 
>> themselves here."
>> Who's to say if they "got themselves here"?  Did the Sydney House Crow get 
>> itself here?  Did the Burren Junction Grey-headed Lapwing get itself here?
>> In the end, we each have to make a judgement call for ourselves, that we are 
>> happy with ......for ourselves.
>> Cheers and happy birding,
>> John Tongue
>> Ulverstone, Tas.
>> On 27/10/2010, at 9:51 AM, Chris Sanderson wrote:
>>> vagrants are treated differently only if they got
>>> themselves here.

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