The reason SA's NPW&S gave me for their nervosity is that there are very few
'wild-coloured' SCPs in captivity and hence wild birds are highly sought
after.
Notice my message only related to SCP's - I didn't comment on Princess
Parakeet.
cheers
Peter
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Fiona Anderson <> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It seems to me that scarlet-chested parrots and princess parakeets would be
> very low on poachers' lists as both species are widely bred and sold cheaply
> in aviculture. Just my 2 penny's worth!
>
> Cherrs,
>
> Fiona
>
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:14:39 +0930
> > From:
> > To:
> > CC:
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re: Secrecy of locations
>
> >
> > Ian et al - I didn't raise this as a topic for discussion - it was a
> > request. I don't care who agrees or disagrees. FYI it was the same
> > NP&WS you mention that closed off an entire conservation park a few
> > years ago because a SCP sighting was made public.
> > cheers
> > Peter
> >
> > On 6/10/10, Ian May <> wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Sorry to have to disagree with Peter on this topic. Occasionally this
> > > thread is raised and previously I have resisted comment however there
> is
> > > another perspective to this discussion.
> > >
> > > It has been my experience that people with untoward intentions toward
> > > our wildlife often have more information about their targets than we
> > > concerned people do. Unless an occurrence is a one off where absolute
> > > secrecy can be assured, the outcome from selective secrecy is more
> > > likely to be negative to the good intention of protection because
> > > secrecy provides a protected environment for poaching to flourish.
> > >
> > > Contrary to the regularly held belief that secrecy helps protect our
> > > rarer birds, the best deterrent to poachers is public knowledge of
> > > locations. The knowledge generates interest from responsible people who
> > > have concern and interest about the welfare of the subject. An
> > > effective deterrent is provided from random visits by people with
> > > legitimate interest combined with follow up from authorities if a
> > > suspicious person is observed and reported.
> > >
> > > An example is Grey Falcon breeding near Strzelecki Xing. For many
> > > years selective secrecy failed to help protect the birds. Sighting
> > > locations for Grey Falcon in the Far North of SA were kept quiet and
> > > every year most known nesting attempts failed. Reports from Cooper
> > > Basin oil workers and pastoralists about persons with roof top ladders
> > > were occasionally rumoured but frustratingly never anything much was
> > > reported that could be followed up. Often unidentified vehicle tracks
> > > could be found leading from the nest tree and it seemed that poachers
> > > alway knew the location of Grey Falcon nests before anyone else. In
> > > this case it was clear that intended secrecy was working against the
> > > welfare of the birds so a decision was made to reveal general locations
> > > where Grey Falcon could likely be observed and almost immediately we
> > > (SANPWS Far North) began to receive a useful flow of monitored
> > > information. And for years after that, these Grey Falcons bred
> > > successfully.
> > >
> > > There are exceptions but generally, selective secrecy puts our rarest
> > > wildlife of interest at risk. Importantly however, if suspicious
> > > individuals are observed a thorough description with all relevant ID
> > > details should be reported to NPWS ASAP.
> > >
> > > For what it is worth
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ian May
> > > St Helens, Tasmania
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter Waanders wrote:
> > >
> > >>Could people who might want to assist John please refrain from posting
> > >>specific locations for Scarlet-chested Parrot on birding-aus but rather
> > >> send
> > >>it to him directly. According to inside information from SA NP&W there
> > >>appears to be a real risk of poaching. Whether this is justified or
> not,
> > >>it's probably better to be safe than sorry.
> > >>
> > >>cheers
> > >>
> > >>Peter Waanders
> > >>
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