Visit to NSW and Victoria

To: Alan Beszant <>
Subject: Visit to NSW and Victoria
From: Laurie Knight <>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:06:53 +1000
G'day Alan

You may not realise it, but there is a degree of concern about poachers / wildlife smugglers in this country. This tends to be aroused when unknown people turn up asking questions about "rare birds".

Rather that floating a vague question about rare birds, it might be useful for you to state which species you are interested in seeing. I think you will always get a better response if you frame your RFI that way.

Regards, Laurie.

On 03/03/2010, at 8:57 AM, Alan Beszant wrote:

Hi Russell and Birds Australia Victorian Group,
Russell, You are reading a lot more into this than was intended. Please read my reply in Purple below.

FW: Visit to Victoria
     from [Russell Woodford] [Permanent Link][Original]

To: BA Vic Group < >, birding birding- aus < >
     Subject:  FW: Visit to Victoria
     From:  Russell Woodford < >
     Date:  Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:30:14 +1100

A few things strike me as unusual about this request:

First, Mr Beszant wants to see "rare birds" rather than interesting regional birds, or ones that he hasn't seen before. Firstly I would like to photograph any bird, but as I do not live in Australia, and thus do not have the time you do, I try and target rare or birds that I have not seen before. If someone had e-mailed me from a club then all this would have become apparent. Secondly, he doesn't give a date when he is visiting I am in Australia most of March with my wife who is not a birder and so I try and make birding efficient for myself so that I can spend time on her interests, hence the e-mails requests, as I like to spend time with my wife each day. Thirdly, although he has been on outings with the Gold Coast group, he hasn't actually asked about outings in Victoria, but merely wants the local knowledge. We are only staying one or a maximum of two nights at each town between Sydney and the Great Ocean Road and so I would not have the time for a day field trip.

Can anyone from the Gold Coast Bird Observers verify Mr Beszant as a bird photographer rather than anyone with a more sinister agenda? Sinister? Is this for real? I can't believe what I am reading. I'd be cautious about offering information until we can check this out - sorry to be suspicious, but it doesn't exactly ring true for me. To verify that I do go out with the Gold Coast Observers Club, please e-mail Terry Robinson and Terry Dillion (who does bird conservation work for the Gold Coast City Council.)

I must say that I was not expecting anything like this. Usually birders are friendly and help one another. I visited WA last August and September and many of the bird groups were so helpful (including Anne at the Albany bird club and Maris of the Perth club and Frank O'Conner as well. They helped me ID birds from the photos that I took) You could e-mail them for verification as well if you are still that nervous. The Gold Coast and NSW people are very helpful and friendly also. Victoria???

I think you had better contact all those people that have viewed your concerns and put this right.

Awaiting your reply. Are you big enough for an apology? (As you can probably tell I am still upset by your comments)

Attached a several photos that I took in WA last year to prove that I am a birder.


Russell Woodford
Birding-Aus List Owner

Geelong   Victoria   Australia

On 02/03/2010, at 7:38 PM, BA Vic Group wrote:

I received this request from Alan Beszant to the Birds Australia Victoria
Group email address.

If you feel you can help, please reply directly to Alan.

Many thanks,

Ruth Woodrow


Birds Australia Victoria Group


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