Visit to NSW and Victoria

To: "Alan Beszant" <>, <>
Subject: Visit to NSW and Victoria
From: "storm" <>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:59:14 +1100

Stop that, Russell has nothing to apologise for. He was being
sensible - smuggling is not a small problem for either Australian or
NZ  birds and reptiles.

He may have read more into it than you intended but such is life - he
should be congratulated for being appropriately protective, not

I hope you enjoy the time you spend in Australia (alas I can only show
you fruit bats, not normally of significant interest to birders)


-----Original Message-----
 Behalf Of Alan Beszant
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:58 AM
Cc: ; 
Subject: Visit to NSW and Victoria

Hi Russell and Birds Australia Victorian Group,
Russell, You are reading a lot more into this than was intended.
Please read my reply in Purple below.

FW: Visit to Victoria
      from [Russell Woodford] [Permanent Link][Original]

      To:  BA Vic Group < >, birding birding-aus
< >
      Subject:  FW: Visit to Victoria
From:  Russell Woodford < >
Date:  Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:30:14 +1100

A few things strike me as unusual about this request:

First, Mr Beszant wants to see "rare birds" rather than interesting
regional birds, or ones that he hasn't seen before. Firstly I would
like to photograph any bird, but as I do not live in Australia, and
thus do not have the time you do, I try and target rare or birds that
I have not seen before. If someone had e-mailed me from a club then
all this would have become apparent.
Secondly, he doesn't give a date when he is visiting  I am in
Australia most of March with my wife who is not a birder and so I try
and make birding efficient for myself so that I can spend time on her
interests, hence the e-mails requests, as I like to spend time with my
wife each day. Thirdly, although he has been on outings with the Gold
Coast group, he hasn't actually asked about outings in Victoria, but
merely wants the local knowledge. We are only staying one or a maximum
of two nights at each town between Sydney and the Great Ocean Road and
so I would not have the time for a day field trip.

      Can anyone from the Gold Coast Bird Observers verify Mr Beszant
as a bird photographer rather than anyone with a more sinister agenda?
Sinister? Is this for real? I can't believe what I am reading.
      I'd be cautious about offering information until we can check
this out - sorry to be suspicious, but it doesn't exactly ring true
for me.
      To verify that I do go out with the Gold Coast Observers Club,
please e-mail Terry Robinson    and Terry Dillion
(who does bird conservation work for the Gold Coast City Council.)

      I must say that I was not expecting anything like this. Usually
birders are friendly and help one another.
      I visited WA last August and September and many of the bird
groups were so helpful (including Anne at the Albany bird club and
Maris of the Perth club and Frank O'Conner as well. They helped me ID
birds from the photos that I took) You could e-mail them for
verification as well if you are still that nervous. The Gold Coast and
NSW people are very helpful and friendly also. Victoria???

      I think you had better contact all those people that have viewed
your concerns and put this right.

      Awaiting your reply. Are you big enough for an apology? (As you
can probably tell I am still upset by your comments)

      Attached a several photos that I took in WA last year to prove
that I am a birder.


Russell Woodford
Birding-Aus List Owner

Geelong   Victoria   Australia

On 02/03/2010, at 7:38 PM, BA Vic Group wrote:

I received this request from Alan Beszant to the Birds Australia
Group email address.

If you feel you can help, please reply directly to Alan.

Many thanks,

Ruth Woodrow


Birds Australia Victoria Group


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