Yes, they do, but are less likely to according to the research.
Denise
on 4/11/09 7:48 AM, John Tongue at wrote:
> So women don't twitch or stamp collect???
>
> John Tongue
> Ulverstone, Tas.
>
>
> On 04/11/2009, at 5:26 AM, Denise Goodfellow wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested in seeing Laurie's research. I've some US papers
>> that
>> mention this as well.
>>
>> I've twice, in 26 years, been guiding birders who have either entered
>> private property or gone into sensitive habitat. The last one, a
>> woman just
>> a few months ago, entered a preschool grounds after a bird. A few
>> have been
>> disgruntled when I refused to play tapes to call up birds in
>> particular
>> areas.
>>
>> The biggest issue in the Top End that I'm aware of is birders
>> entering the
>> sewage ponds without a permit, resulting in management becoming very
>> upset
>> to the point of threatening to arrest them. Consequently, access to
>> the
>> ponds has been further tightened.
>>
>> However, in my experience up here, combat or gonzo birders (as they're
>> called in the US) tend to put themselves at risk more than the
>> birds, for
>> instance insisting on going out when it's very hot and humid. Two,
>> whom I
>> refused to accompany one stinking hot afternoon, later collapsed
>> with heat
>> exhaustion.
>>
>> The desire to systematise eg by stamp collecting or twitching, seems
>> to be a
>> feature of the male brain according to research I've read.
>> Denise
>>
>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
>> PO Box 3460 NT 0832, AUSTRALIA
>> Ph. 61 08 89 328306
>> Mobile: 04 386 50 835
>>
>> Birdwatching and Indigenous tourism consultant
>> PhD Candidate
>>
>> http://www.denisegoodfellow.com.au
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>> http://www.ausbird.com
>> http://birderstravel.com
>> http://www.theloveofood.com (Rowan Goodfellow Thompson)
>>
>>
>>
>> on 3/11/09 9:40 PM, Chris Sanderson at
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> I believe in the UK a small number of rare birds have died from
>>> constant
>>> harassment leading to an inability to feed to recover from a long
>>> trip.
>>> This is possibly what Peter is referring to? Also I hear from
>>> various
>>> sources of cases where twitchers (usually identity unknown) have been
>>> observed by landholders to tresspass to look for birds. This still
>>> appears
>>> to be a sadly common occurrence, though as you say, its not fair to
>>> tar all
>>> twitchers with that brush as I know many who wouldn't enter a
>>> property
>>> without permission. However those that do give all birders, not just
>>> twitchers, a bad name with the general public.
>>>
>>> I will say this though, a recent study by our own Dr Laurie Knight
>>> showed
>>> that the more fanatical a twitcher is, the less they care about
>>> conservation. That's hard data from a fairly broad survey there (I
>>> hope
>>> I've paraphrased your work correctly there Laurie, feel free to
>>> jump in if
>>> I'm misquoting).
>>>
>>> As for earlier questions about collectors, I'd love to hear from
>>> someone in
>>> the customs department, but I know for a fact they are still
>>> finding living
>>> animals being smuggled, and I have little doubt that the same would
>>> go for
>>> dead animals - there are a lot of people for whom collecting skins/
>>> specimens
>>> is akin to stamp collecting (or pokemon for the younger people out
>>> there
>>> reading this...gotta catch em all). Look no further than our own
>>> official
>>> bodies - out there looking to collect one or several of the newly
>>> found
>>> Spotted Quail-Thrush in Far North QLD before they even know if its
>>> a new
>>> species or even how many there are in the population...
>>>
>>> Back to the point at hand. I thought the objection was over GPS
>>> co-ordinates being given in an open online forum. A general
>>> location in the
>>> email with an offer of directions offline would be fine I would
>>> think, as
>>> suggested by an earlier poster. At least that means someone
>>> wanting to
>>> break the law has to leave evidence in the form of an email if they
>>> want the
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Tim Jones <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do the 'fanatical Twitchers' do? I reckon this is mostly just
>>>> sensationalised hearsay. I see so much prattle about the terrible
>>>> harm they
>>>> do, but I have yet to see a properly substantiated report of
>>>> something which
>>>> has had any serious effect on wildlife and I've been on many, many
>>>> 'fanatical twitches' in my time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are a few people who go a bit too far in their pursuit, but
>>>> most
>>>> 'fanatical twitchers' are also fanatical conservationists and also
>>>> want
>>>> future generations to share their joy of seeing wonderful places and
>>>> wonderful wildlife.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just wish people would get things in proportion. This kind of
>>>> statement
>>>> tars us all with the same brush and just gets us all a bad name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NB I'm not arguing about the need to be judicious with information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From:
>>>>> To: ;
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] [Birding-Aus] Australian Painted Snipe in Dubbo
>>>>> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:28:29 +1100
>>>>> CC: ;
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Peter, my main concern was the Painted Snipe, and yes I do
>>>>> believe
>>>> that
>>>>> there are people who would take a Painted Snipe for their
>>>>> collection. Its
>>>> no
>>>>> different than collecting feathers a subject that as been discussed
>>>> recently
>>>>> on this forum. Collecting feathers appears to be a harmless
>>>>> pastime on
>>>> the
>>>>> surface but you can imagine someone who as all the feathers of
>>>>> all the
>>>>> parrot species except for the Night Parrot. I could easily see
>>>>> such a
>>>> person
>>>>> trying to find out where to find one and going out and shooting
>>>>> it to get
>>>>> the feather.You only have to see what some of the fanatical
>>>>> Twitchers get
>>>> up
>>>>> to at times to understand the need to be alert to whom you give
>>>> information
>>>>> to. Thankfully it is only a small minority that are involved in
>>>>> such
>>>>> behaviour.
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