Thanks Tony, could you do that, please? It's just the undertail I'm interested
in. I looked around on the internet, but couldn't find any that clearly showed
it.
Peter Shute
Tony Russell wrote on Tuesday, 14 July 2009 12:45 PM:
> Peter, there are some quite good pictures of the Hudsonian in
> O'Brien, Crossley, and Karlson, The Shorebird Guide, pp 116 -117
> which do show some of the undertail and a big pic of the underwing. I
> could scan them and send them to you if you are interested. These are
> photos not paintings. I can't send them to birding-aus though because
> of file size.
>
> T.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Peter Shute
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:11 AM
> To: Birding Aus
> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Hudsonian Godwit
>
>
> Continuing a thread from a couple of weeks ago ...
>
> I received my copy of Hayman yesterday, in excellent condition, a
> bargain for only about $20 including postage, I should have bought
> one years ago.
>
> It looks excellent, BUT ... no pictures of the Hudsonian undertail at
> all! It shows the underwing as a side view with the wings raised. I
> suspect that because it isn't useful for id, they haven't bothered to
> show it. Fair enough, but I think we're entitled to a warning that
> you're not going to get a look at the colour of the tail feathers
> just by waiting till the bird bends over. This possibly applies to
> lots of species.
>
> At least Pizzey and Knight gives a hint that this might happen by
> showing the white coverts extending a little way over the black tail
> in flight. It just goes to show that no field guide is perfect.
>
> Peter Shute
>
> Jackie Moorhead wrote on Saturday, 27 June 2009 7:26 PM:
>
>> For those interested in a good field guide for waders, then I would
>> recommend, "Shorebirds ,an Identification Guide" by Hayman, Marchant
>> and Prater.It is published by Houghton Mifflin Company in Boston USA.
>> It has all the waders in the world, about the size of Slater without
>> all the numerous mistakes that are in all the Australian field
>> guides.
>
>> All your comments about the Hudwit are illustrated well in this guide
>> Peter. I bought mine a few years ago through Andrew Isles for about
>> AUD50 I think. All field guides should be as good as this landmark
>> one. Cheers, Bill "Peter Shute" <> wrote on
>> Saturday,
>
>> June 27, 2009 8:30 AM:
>
>> Some great shots there, David. Was the second Bar-tailed Godwit
>> present?
>>
>> Some questions for anyone who can answer them:
>>
>> I've been trying to work out why the Hudsonian's undertail appears to
>> be white when it's on the ground, yet black in flight. Photo 5549
>> shows what I mean. I guess it's just the undertail coverts hiding
>> the
>
>> tail when it's folded, and the flight shot, 5476, backs that up,
>> although the legs prevent us seeing whether the coverts extend the
>> full length of the tail.
>>
>> Neither Morcombe nor S&D show the undertail in flight. Slater shows
>> it with the black extending right across, P&K shows the coverts
>> protruding a little way into the black.
>>
>> Photo 5540 shows why I initially thought the reddish bird was the
>> Hudsonian. Its tail appears black in that side on photo, whereas the
>> Hudsonian's appears to be white. I can understand now why the latter
>> looks white, but why does the Bar-tailed's tail look black? Am I
>> mistaking a primary for a tail feather (and vice versa for the
>> Hudsonian)?
>>
>> This photo:
>> http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/birds/scolopacidae/limosa_haemasti
>> ca.htm shows the outer tail feathers have a white outer web, which
>> wouldn't help things when viewed side on.
>>
>> Peter Shute
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From:
>>
>> On Behalf Of David Stowe
>> Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 11:04 PM
>> To: Birding-aus (E-mail)
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Hudsonian Godwit
>>
>> A quick belated note to say that we saw the Hudsonian Godwit at the
>> mouth of Laverton Creek on Tuesday morning. Grant Brosie, Nick
>> Livanos
>
>> and myself went down from Sydney to see it. I have uploaded some
>> shots
>
>> to my pbase site if anyone is interested. Weather was terrible but we
>> had great views of the bird at rest and in flight.
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/davidstowe/hudsonian_godwit
>>
>> Many thanks to those posts on birding-aus and especially to Geoff
>> Jones for taking us around. Cheers
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