I don't think it's from Taronga; I was there yesterday, and all their
birds seemed to be banded. They do have PIP's though.
2009/4/19 Jon Irvine <>:
> Hi Alan,
>
> Fortunately I'm not suggesting that it is an escapee. I was just responding
> to Greg's and Dave's comments re the possibility of local escapees. Greg
> asked if anyone knew if there were categorically no captive PIPs in NSW.
> Dave stated that you cannot prove that there aren't any captives in NSW, you
> can only prove that there are. Auburn Botanic Gardens has quite a few exotic
> pigeons including PIPs. If the PIP in Newport is later joined by emancipated
> Bleeding Heart Doves, White-breasted Ground Doves and Cape Barren Geese
> (yes, Auburn has those too, presumably wing-clipped ones, so unlikely to get
> as far as Shoalhaven!) we shall know what's happened!!! As you say, it's a
> personal decision as to whether you regard it as a wild bird or as an
> escapee as usually these things cannot be definitively proved. For some
> people it's a thorny issue isn't it? Not that it applies to this bird, but
> how do the state or national rarities commissions evaluate the potential of
> exotic escapees objectively? I guess it will be just on the probability,
> taking things like dispersal ability and points of origin into
> consideration, of one against the other.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jono
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan McBride
> Sent: 19 April 2009 19:11
> To: Jon Irvine
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Pied Imperial Pigeon
>
> It would naturally depend on "proving it". Even if they lost one how
> would we now it was this one (unless banded of course)?
>
> Refer Dave Torr's e-mail a while ago (tonight).
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 19/04/2009, at 6:50 PM, Jon Irvine wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Irvine
> Sent: 19 April 2009 18:49
> To: 'Greg & Val Clancy'
> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Pied Imperial Pigeon
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> I believe Auburn Botanical Gardens has some captive PIPs in their
> aviary. It
> would be a bit of a bummer if this bird was one of those!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jono
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Greg & Val
> Clancy
> Sent: 19 April 2009 18:37
> To: Alan McBride; Elizabeth Shaw
> Cc: Birding Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Pied Imperial Pigeon
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> I raised the issue of the potential for this, and the earlier NSW
> records of
>
> the Pied Imperial Pigeon, to be cage escapes with Alan Morris and he
> said
> that the earlier records were accepted presumably indicating that they
> were
> considered wild birds and not cage escapes. Does anyone know that there
> aren't captive Pied Imperial Pigeons in NSW?
>
> Greg Clancy
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