Primary confusion

To: "'L&L Knight'" <>, "'Birding Aus'" <>
Subject: Primary confusion
From: " Jeff Davies" <>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:38:57 +1000
G'day Laurie,

I hardly think this merits a posting on the forum. In defence of David Eades
who wrote the section you have quoted, he later states that "primary
projection similar but shorter wings" for Little Stint. And he wrote this
within an expansive ID text which paid no attention to it as a means for
separating Little from Red-necked Stint for good reason, there is
essentially no difference between them. The so called "longer primary
projection" you refer to from a number of sources would be relative to
Semipalmated and Western Sandpipers. Not a major issue for Australia.

Cheers Jeff.

-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of L&L Knight
Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 10:35 PM
To: Birding Aus
Subject: Primary confusion

I've been consulting the reference books on the finer points of stint  
identification and have discovered some contradictions where primary  
projection is concerned.

In Hayman's [Shorebirds] stint comparison chart [p. 398],  
Little Stints are listed as having long primary projection and Red- 
necked Stints are listed as having medium primary projection.

In contrast, HANZAB notes that adult Little Stints have short primary  
projection [moderate in juveniles - p. 250], while primary projection  
for Red-necked Stints  is "moderate in adults and juveniles (similar  
to that of Little Stint)" p. 258.  I assume the author means that RNS  
have similar primary projection to juvenile LS.

The Wikipedia [, 
  ] entries note long primary projection for both stints.  Indeed just  
about every online reference I've come across notes long primary  
projection to both species.

Why is HANZAB "out of line"?  Is it using a different definition of  
primary projection?

Regards, Laurie.

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