re: whats in a name

Subject: re: whats in a name
From: Lawrie Conole <>
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:57:19 +1100
Andrew Taylor wrote:
This would be a convincing explanation if Markgraf saw "jacana"
written in Portuguese and copied it not knowing the  pronunciation.
But he would have likely heard Portuguese speakers and Tupi speakers say
But he didn't hear it pronounced that way - the word is jaçanã!  The cedilha (ç) is an S sound, not a c/k sound.  It's not pronounced jakaarna in its land of origin.

 And where would he have seen the word written in Portuguese?
The Jesuits did write in Portuguese & Tupi but Latin seems to be used
for scientific writing.
One presumes if he collected the word "in the field" it would not have been in Latin.

I did discover Markgraf's notebooks were apparently coded to protect
the contents.  After his death (at 33 in Angola) Johannes de Laet
decoded them allowing publication - which might have changed the text.
I also noticed Markgraf also brought the words "anhinga" and "caracara"
to Aurope.  Not sure about "ani" and "aracari".

In Angola!!! - more Portuguese speakers :-)  Perhaps Markgraf spoke/wrote Portuguese from working in Brazil and Angola?



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