Apteryx rowi and mantelli

To: "'Birding Aus'" <>
Subject: Apteryx rowi and mantelli
From: "John Penhallurick" <>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:29:55 +1000
Dear Friends,
Many thanks to Andrew Taylor  for pointing me to
the 2003 paper by Burbidge et al.  I am now completely convinced that the
splits of A.mantelli and A.rowi from A.australis are fully justified.  Two
more ticks for me to get!
Best wishes to all,
John Penhallurick
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Taylor 
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 9:55 AM
To: John Murray Penhallurick
Cc: 'Birding Aus'
Subject: Apteryx rowi and mantelli

On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 07:45:38PM +1000, John Murray Penhallurick wrote:
> I would be glad to recived a copy of the paper by Tennyson, A. J. D., R.
> Palma, H. A. Robertson, T. H. Worthy and B. J. Gill (2003) A new species
> kiwi (Aves, Apterygiformes) from Okarito, New Zealand. Records of the
> Auckland Museum, 40: 55-64.
> I have grave suspecions, which may turn out to the quite wrong, I admit,
> that this is a conservation-motivated split.  I knew about these
> of deviant Kiwis, but always assumed that they were simply the products of
> extreme inbreeding.
> I have equal doubts about the split of Apteryx mantelli North Island Brown
> Kiwi from A. australis South Island Brown Kiwi. Can anyone tell me where
> this split was justified?

This paper seems to have strong evidence for both splits
"Molecular and other biological evidence supports the recognition of
at least three species of brown kiwi", Burbidge et al.
Conservation Genetics, Volume 4, Number 2, 2003 , pp. 167-177(11)
The abstract is avilable at:

The estimated separation of  6 million years for the Okarito Kiwi is
ancient.  Generic splits can occur in less time.


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