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Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:00:08 +1000 (EST)
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Whats in an indigenous bird name (Paul Taylor)
2. Re: Satin Bowerbird calling at night? (Evan Beaver)
3. Eastern Melbourne sightings (Karen)
4. Re: Re: "Jabiru" (Chris Sanderson)
5. short bird names (Wim Vader)
6. RE: [SPAM] Re: [Birding-Aus] What is in a name? (Paul Dodd)
7. Re: Whats in an indigenous bird name (Peter Madvig)
8. Re: Whats in an indigenous bird name - a job for theESIG?
(Denise Goodfellow)
9. Re: Re: "Jabiru" (peter crow)
10. Re: Longest <English> bird name (and shortest) (Dave Torr)
11. RE: Re: "Jabiru" (Tim Murphy)
12. Re: Re: "Jabiru" (Robert Gosford)
13. Re: Whats in a name (peter crow)
14. The Emu and Jabiru (Jon Wren)
15. What's in a Name (Syd Curtis)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:22:20 +1000
From: Paul Taylor <>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Whats in an indigenous bird name
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The discussion about the use of indigenous bird names reminded me of
a passage from one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books, which could
equally apply to birds...
The forest of Skund was indeed enchanted, which was nothing unusual
on the Disc, and was also the only forest in the whole universe to
be called -- in the local language -- Your Finger You Fool, which
was the literal meaning of the word Skund.
The reason for this is regrettably all too common. When the first
explorers from the warm lands around the Circle Sea travelled into
the chilly hinterland they filled in the blank spaces on their maps
by grabbing the nearest native, pointing at some distant landmark,
speaking very clearly in a loud voice, and writing down whatever
the bemused man told them. Thus were immortalised in generations of
atlases such geographical oddities as Just A Mountain, I Don't Know,
What? and, of course, Your Finger You Fool.
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Paul Taylor Veni, vidi, tici -
I came, I saw, I ticked.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:23:27 +1000
From: "Evan Beaver" <>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Satin Bowerbird calling at night?
To: "L&L Knight" <>
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I wouldn't stake too much on this observation becauseI might be
remembering incorrectly, but I'm pretty sure I've heard our female
Satin Bower mimicking a few hours after sunset. There's a couple of
spots in particular she likes to sit and mimick and I heard calls
coming from that spot.
Ev
On 7/27/07, L&L Knight <> wrote:
> No, I don't but it would be interesting to know what sort of call it
> was making - was it doing the "churring" call or a spot of mimicking?
>
> Regards, Laurie.
>
> On Friday, July 27, 2007, at 09:48 AM, John Leonard wrote:
>
> > Some firends of our who live in the same suburb in Canberra, but
> > nearer to a Satin Bowerbird's bower, tell us that the male was calling
> > at night last spring (they report around 11pm, so several hours after
> > sunset).
> >
> > Does anybody else have any experience with this species calling after
> > dark?
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Lapstone, Blue Mountains, NSW
lat=-33.77, lon=150.64
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:26:38 +1000
From: "Karen" <>
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Eastern Melbourne sightings
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Interesting occurrence tonight in Eastern fringe suburbs of Melbourne. My
daughter and I had to bandage one of our horses late this afternoon in a
paddock at the back of our property. We had to actually move the horse
away from the fence, into the middle of the paddocks, as a flock of
Yellow-tailed Black-cockatoos were in the pines overhead launching VERY
hard pine cones down to the ground. Once of them that hit just before we
moved would have easily given us a BIG headache but we were more concerned
about our mare being spooked. My daughter and I both noticed 2 separate
instances of what seemed to be young YTBCs being fed? Would this be
right in the middle of winter. Interestingly, we also had a small flock
of Gang-gangs fly through too, which are not such a regular happening.
And we had the regular kangaroo mob surrounding us too, seems an awful lot
of young ones about too. Not bad for somewhere 30 or so mins out of
Melbourne!
Cheers,
Karen
South Warrandyte
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:53:32 +1000
From: "Chris Sanderson" <>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Re: "Jabiru"
To: "L&L Knight" <>
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Hi Bob and Laurie,
I have at least one record from the Oxley Creek Common of Black-necked
Stork
in the last 12 months. Also I believe they are very occasionally seen at
the Minippi Parklands on the south side of town. Don't know of them from
Chelmer though.
Regards,
Chris
On 7/27/07, L&L Knight <> wrote:
>
> The nearest I've seen them to urban Brisbane would be an aquaculture
> pond near Rocky Pt [Logan - Gold Coast flood plain]. You also get them
> on Moreton Island which is in the BCC limits, but on the far side of
> the Bay to the city.
>
> Regards, Laurie.
>
>
> On Friday, July 27, 2007, at 07:45 PM, Bob & Trish Sothman wrote:
>
> > In the recent correspondence on Jabiru,
> >
> >
> >
> > (1) No one has said much about the (South American) Jabiru. For me,
> > it is a very impressive bird, and easily seen in the Pantanal area of
> > Brasil.- an area quote - "declared by UNESCO as a World Biosphere
> > Reserve and a Natural Patrimony of Mankind, the Pantanal is the
> > world's largest wetland area with an area of approximately 200,000
> > square kilometers". From my experience (100+ overseas trips),
> > Pantanal is, at the right time of the year, one of the best birding
> > areas anywhere in the world.
> >
> >
> >
> > (2) In the very early 1970s, I occasionally saw (Australian) Jabiru on
> > the Brisbane River, Brisbane Qld , near where I then lived in Chelmer.
> > I suspect they have long gone but would be delighted to learn that
> > they are still there. Are there any recent records?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob Sothman
> >
> > Adelaide
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:06:32 +0200
From: "Wim Vader" <>
Subject: [Birding-Aus] short bird names
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I think we here in Tromsø are in the running for the shortest bird name, as
the Northern or Common Eider is locally called e, becoming ea in the
definite form, 'the eider'. The male is e-kallen, kall being an old man.
Although we usually can not compete with the Aussies in abbreviations (who
can??), we do have a few (But the eider name is NOT an abbreviation, but
the full name). A wonderful slogan for the last elections for the socialist
party, Arbeiderpartiet or A here in Norway, in the local dialect, was 'æ è
i A æ å' (In normal Norwegian 'jeg er i A jeg også', or 'I am in the
socialist party, I too'. Beat that one for a short sentence!
Wim Vader, Tromsø Museum
9037 Tromsø, Norway
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:17:06 +1000
From: "Paul Dodd" <>
Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: [Birding-Aus] What is in a name?
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Forty, surely? Though my latin is a little rusty...
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"> That brings us into the realm of Ctenotus quattuordecimlineatus."
So does that mean it has forty lines or fourteen? And does it really?
Alan
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:22:27 +1000
From: "Peter Madvig" <>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Whats in an indigenous bird name
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Paul,
Lake Malawi, in Malawi, used to be Lake Nyasa, in Nyasaland. Well, when
"the
locals" were asked by one of the first explorers what that vast expance of
water was, the answer was:" Nyasa". You guessed it - Nyasa means 'Lake!!!!
i.e., we had for years Lake 'Lake', in Lakeland :-)
Or, so I'm told.
Cheers,
Peter Madvig
