GGWS. Environmental Psychologist required.

To: Tim Jones <>
Subject: GGWS. Environmental Psychologist required.
From: Ian May <>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:52:11 +0930
Hi all

With all the recent TALK about our eventual doom, there could be an
opening for an Environmental Psychologist on the list. It might be hard
for some to believe but we are actually having a NICE day here at Price.
Despite the current gale warning, there are no floods, no droughts, no
heat waves, no cat 5 storms YET. Last night Eastern Curlews were calling
overhead so might go out to the saltworks later and look for some
returning (surviving) waders.


Ian May

Price SA

PS. Heard (hearsay) that some instruments to measure weather at Price
were moved about 1 km last year, to a warmer site and now the
temperatures here are showing a warming trend. There is no advice of
this change of location shown on the weather bureau site. With this in
mind, i would be grateful if anyone can explain how in future, any
researcher can make a scientific conclusion when comparing historic
weather results from this site. (Past compared to current). Or perhaps
if we want to cool the planet, all we really have to do is put the same
instruments back to their original locations.

Tim Jones wrote:

Talk about silly! I can't see any basic logic in carrying on
regardless. If you were driving a car and the gauge said it was
overheating you would have a possible problem and maybe you would also
have a hypothetical cause. Would you just keep on driving it? We can
all stop the vehicle and take our own small actions. Why is continuing
to defile the atmosphere counted as 'doing nothing' anyway? If we
really 'did nothing' the problem might start to slow down.

Annother point one thing that always seems to me to get missed in all
this is that we seem to be getting trapped into almost exclusively
using global warming to justify conservation measures - all well and
good but let's also get back to justifying conservation for its own
sake - i.e. the legacy for our descendants and the preservation of
life forms in general.


From: "Tim Murphy" <>
To: "J Rose" <>,<>
Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] GGWS
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:10:32 +1000

>>>question: can we afford not to act?

A very silly question.

How are we meant to act? We have an possible problem with a hypothetical
cause. How the hell do we know what act to do - it may make things
What act(s) of Australia alone is going to give you a smidgeon of
If in doubt, do nothing, is always a pretty good rule.

It reminds me of the various Government ministers who pass useless and
counter productive laws, "because we must do something."

10% of scientist seems a very arbitrary rule. Most scientist are piss
about predicting the future.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
 Behalf Of J Rose
Sent: Friday, 13 July 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] (no subject)

Hi all – This is from

Makes sense to me!

Can the debate about the so-called global warming “swindle” ever be
resolved? Of course not. It’s far too scientific for most of us to
understand and it’s far too controversial to achieve a consensus.

Which is why the goalposts in this debate should be permanently shifted.
Let’s stop debating whether climate change is induced by humans and
it with a far more important -- and resolvable – question: can we
afford not
to act?

This should be a debate about insurance, not about climate. There's now
enough evidence to raise sufficient doubts that the planet could be
at risk
from greenhouse-induced climate change. Even if the actuarial risk is
as low
as 10% (and it’s probably more like 50% or more) then surely every
individual, government and company would be crazy to do nothing.

The only “swindle” now would be if we didn’t take out an insurance
against the possibility of permanent damage to the environment, and
we don’t
need scientific consensus for that – we just need 10% of scientists to
confirm it.

After all, even Rupert Murdoch – arch conservative and arch
pragmatist -- is
arguing that we should give the planet the benefit of the doubt.

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