Perhaps if you hear it calling you may have the clincher.
Regards, Laurie.
On Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 01:47 PM, Bill Jolly wrote:
Hi Greg
Thanks for your comments. We wrestled a little over this bird, and of
course seeing the bird in the field can never be captured in a few
photographs.
Three of us got together for another good look at it this-morning, and
again concluded Scarlet Robin - bearing in mind that we're
unfamiliar up here with robins in this plumage. But we do get Rose
Robins through here every year, and are used to various shades of
colour on the breast, and also varying degrees of wing bars. This
bird's breast was decidedly an orange-red, in life not at all
reminiscent of the pink of a Rose Robin, (though Pizzey suggests even
pink as an option for female Scarlet Robin). Perhaps young female
Scarlet should also be considered an option.
I've noticed that Pizzey and Slater and Morecombe all emphasise
eye-ring, wing-bars and breast colours quite differently.
In flight, the wing bars were very clear, more so than I have seen on
a Rose Robin. The head and upperparts were very brown and didn't show
any of the darker greyish colouring I would expect on a developing
male Rose Robin, given the amount of colour on the breast.
However, if the amount of white in the tail is firmly a definitive
characteristic, I'd clearly accept that as confirming Rose rather than
Scarlet.
I'll try for some more photos this-afternoon, and post the results.
Opinions on the photos available thus far are welcomed from those down
south more familiar with immature and female plumages than we are up
here.
I'll be very happy to come to whatever is the right conclusion about
this visitor, rather than to defend Scarlet over Rose!
Thanks again Greg, let's keep working at it....
All the best
Bill Jolly
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From: "Greg" <>
To: "Bill Jolly" <>, <>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Autumn update - reposting with amended link
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:12:09 +1000
Hi Bill,
I just had a look at your website and found the photos absolutely
superb.
I looked at the female Scarlet Robin photos and while the one on the
left shows the typical red chest colour it looked a little strange.
The photo on the right shows the red with a more pinkish hue.
I consulted my copy of 'Bird in the Hand' which shows the tail
feathers and especially the amount of white in the tail. The left
photo of the robin with its tail open matched the Rose Robin and not
the Scarlet Robin, which has more grey in the tail. The relative
length of the tail is more typical of a Rose Robin than a Scarlet
Robin. The Scarlet Robin is a bigger bird but the tail lengths of the
two species are similar.
Could your bird have been an immature male Rose Robin? The buff
eye-ring suggests a young bird. The white forehead spot also appears
a little small for a Scarlet , particularly in the side view.
Greg Clancy
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