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Rat Bait and Birds

To: michael norris <>
Subject: Rat Bait and Birds
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:31:24 +1000
Hi All,

One thing to remember when using any of the anti-coagulant rodenticides is to ensure that there is always a supply of water near the bait stations. As the rodents haemorrhage internally due to the rodenticide, they become very thirsty and will cover surprising distance in search of water and so become targets for predators. If there is water supply they will not stray far from the bait/water station. An alternative to using dry baits, is to use liquid formulations of the bait. In most situations water is less available to rodents than feed, liquid baits give better results and the rodents are more likely to die near the drinkers containing the liquid baits.

Cheers,
Carl Clifford

On 09/08/2006, at 11:45 AM, michael norris wrote:

HI Jade and all

I support what Greg said about live trapping - certainly the most appropriate if there are risks of killing native rodents as well as the introduced ones. Ian Temby in his great "Wild Neighbours: the humane approach to living with wildlife" says Swamp Rats and Grassland Melomys are the native ones most likely to come near houses in coastal Queensland.

But introduced rodents can be so numerous that trapping may not work. So, as Ian suggests, why not just try to prevent them being a nuisance by reducing food availability, netting fruit trees etc.?

If you must use poisons, the message below from Stephen Debus was posted on 22 January this year.

It checks out with expert advice I had a few years back about controlling rats near bushland and rakali habitat, but note that warfarin may not work in some areas because pest rats have evolved resistance to the stuff.

Michael Norris

The answer to this one would depend on what bait is used on the rabbits or other pests. There isn't much risk of secondary poisoning to raptors if they eat a rabbit baited with 1080, but I think pindone (rabbit bait) carries a higher risk of secondary poisoning. Same with some of the rodent poisons-- the older, multi- feed ones like warfarin ('Ratsak') and coumatetralyl ('Racumin') are much less risk to raptors and owls that eat mice than the newer, single-dose rodenticides like brodifacoum ('Talon', 'Klerat') are. 'Talon' kills raptors and owls that have eaten poisoned rodents. There are some other bad ones for raptors too, in the same family as brodifacoum-- among them I think 'Bromakill' and others in the 'bro...' or 'brom...' (=bromine, i.e. brominated anticoagulants) family. I'd have to look it all up to find better information.

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