Fwd: [OB] birds more dangerous than Nazis?

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Subject: Fwd: [OB] birds more dangerous than Nazis?
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:37:29 +1000
Greetings all,

It seems that some people are getting a bit twitchy (not in the birding sense) about Avian Influenza H5N1. I don't know how the writer at the web site is thinking of. Perhaps a line of eagle eyed sharp-shooters, armed with shotguns spaced at 50m from Morocco, through the Middle East and on up to the Arctic Circle ?


Carl Clifford

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From: Martin Williams <>
Date: 16 August 2005 2:30:30 PM
Subject: [OB] birds more dangerous than Nazis?

Hi All:

H5N1 bird flu (in wild birds) is very much back in the news, and  
causing much discussion, with notions bandied about - often with way  
too much certainty I think - that wild birds will soon bring this flu  
to the US and Europe.
Most over the top post I've yet seen on v active forum at the (the says:
" It was suspected over a year ago that migratory birds were spreading  
H5N1.  Furthermore, it is known that on Qinghai Lake (a nexus of bird  
migration) a very dangerous HPAI strain of H5N1 evolved.  You can see  
the birds spreading it west along their migration route, yet some  
skeptics "point to ground transport of domestic poultry as the most  
likely means of spreading the virus."

We don't need to track these birds, we need to exterminate them.  They  
will rain more death onto Europe than Nazi airplanes."

Currently, wild birds being blamed for spreading bird flu from nw China  
northwest into Russia, and westwards. No matter that reported outbreak  
timings don't fit this notion - as during/late in breeding season, when  
birds shouldn't be moving north [they're also said to be moving west  
and northwest; seems that doesn't matter what point of the compass  
outbreaks appear, wild birds conveniently blamed). Nial Moores of Birds  
Korea has noted that bar-headed geese, said to be a flu vector, are  
moulting so flightless at this time!

Nial is preparing a position paper, for Birds Korea; will soon appear  
on that site, and he or Charlie Moores will post link here.

I've started a forum on H5N1 Avian Flu and Wild Birds; few posters so  
far, but includes some strong emails from Nial, so maybe worth checking  
out (and further posts welcome):
- also on my site is info on why wild birds not responsible for 2003/04  
spread of bird flu, and some background info and links.

Plus if you've any energy, maybe visit boards, and post  

Best regards,
Martin Your guide to enjoying and protecting wild Hong Kong writing, photography, conservation

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